Sprintex or Vortech, which setup has more potential?

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Indeed it was, and your attack on vendors is nothing to do with it, hence my comments. I don't really object to you spreading your unqualified FUD in your own pretty little threads but when you start invading good quality and honest threads with misconceptions then that slightly offends me, hence my post.

I skimmed over the rest of your reply but didn't find anything of value, so please excuse me for not multi-quoting some pointless forum retort.



oh and p.s.: attemting to troll/harass* me via pm won't work.



* delete as appropriate

You don't have either kit installed, enjoy trolling this thread.

I never attacked vendors, I asked straight questions they won't answer.

I contacted you via PM to settle this not to further pollute this thread but, its clear you have no interest and would rather continue being confrontational.

[evo4g63]

I own an Innovate charged car so I am not bias. The Vortech unit is better as of RIGHT NOW hands down. I am stating this from my own personal experiences driving a Vortech car multiple times. I am comparing what is out now and available to consumers/enthusiasts.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

I have a Bosch 2.5 bar map sensor with integrated IAT sensor. It's what Sprintex supply with their chargecooler kit. There's nothing stopping other tuners going and finding an equivalent (or the same) and using it.

I thought this was pretty obvious, so i'm surprised noone else has mentioned it. Also pretty surprised tuners don't seem to be doing it, and even offering nonsensical alternatives, like the FA20club adapter plate (sorry, but it's true!).

I wasn't going to mention this, but I thought you guys should know what's easily capable.

A little better look at our Innovate Motorsports BRZ/FRS/GT86 Twin Screw Sensor Plate from Nameless Performance. Replaces the MAP sensor plate and adds a Boost Air Temp & Boost Signal Ports, also allowing for 3rd Party MAP Sensors (GM 2 Bar, etc). They gave us just enough real estate to put all this functionality into a 2.5"x1.5"x1" package.

Available pre-loaded with T1 Motorsports Development Low Profile/Mini Linear IAT Sensor, a variety of boost signal fittings and a few different gauge options as well as harness ready MAP Sensors.

More Innovate Motorsports / Sprintex Twin Screw Mods on the way...

Seems pretty sensical to me, especially when you consider this give a lot more options and the Innovate kit reuses the OEM map sensor.

Another thread derailed due to vendor love.

[F1point4]

Originally Posted by jamesm

aside from the warranty bit (which is definitely true), there's a lot of hyperbole there.

- i live in florida and haven't done anything at all additional for cooling. i've been logging coolant and oil temps often, they are the exact same as before the turbo install. while cooling upgrades are certainly necessary for the track (just like on a stock 86), they're definitely not for normal driving. this situation is the same FI or otherwise. you wouldn't track a stock 86 without cooling, either.

- all tires are wear items. with traction control on it's no worse than stock. with it off, it is

- brakes... again has very little to do with your engine. if you track the car you'll eat brake pads. if you have a turbo, you'll be going a bit faster and maybe eat them up a bit faster as well. doesn't apply at all to the 95% of us that don't track the cars, and really isn't impacted much by the turbo. you're burning through them in any case, if you use your car that way.

- catch cans... completely unnecessary unless you care about being 'green'. vent to air... it's worked for decades. again the only reason you may 'need' a catch can is for tracking the car... to pass inspection.

- i change my oil at 3k miles whether i have a turbo or not.

i agree you have to pay to play... it's not a cheap hobby. but to say that FI forces your hand and absolutely requires all of the above is just not accurate.

You're right, I shouldn't have implied they were required; these changes are not required to continue operation of the vehicle. However I feel definitely wanted if you want a high performance vehicle which is will remain reliable. Everyone has different goals for the car, mine include driving it for as long as I can.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by F1point4

You're right, I shouldn't have implied they were required; these changes are not required to continue operation of the vehicle. However I feel definitely wanted if you want a high performance vehicle which is will remain reliable. Everyone has different goals for the car, mine include driving it for as long as I can.

I get what you are saying if you are building out a car like this you want it reliable whether it is on street or track. That requires more investment. If you just run on the street as jamesm stated then you can get away without man changes assuming you keep an eye on critical things.

[Infamous Performance]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Not knocking it but Moto-East is in bed with Innovate.
Secondly Moto-East posts about as much detail about his testing and tuning as Innovate does. They are both good at talking about dyno numbers that's about it.

I would love to see the same results replicated more than 2-3 pulls with the hood closed back to back after the kit heat soaks.

New to this party as I was directed to the thread by a customer. I have personally tested the Innovate S/C kit installed in an A/T car on my Mustang dyno. Hood closed. In So Cal on CAN91 piss water. We performed 4 back to back to back to back pulls. Car lost 10whp from start to finish.

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by Frostyman

I'll say this: Stock car + twin screw = electric vehicle noise levels. I am not kidding on this. The stock exhaust is so quiet already, the stock airbox without the noise maker is REALLY quiet. Put the SC in there on that stock system, and you can barely hear the car at all. Turn the radio to 20, and you can't hear it at all. Needless to say, you gotta crank the radio to 40 for any good music, so you'll never hear the thing.

Your poor, poor, defenseless speakers... 8 when I'm speeding so I can hear the radar dector right as it goes off, 12 when I'm just cruising around listening to music... I think you may need a hearing test... Or some type of hearing correction device.


Borla UEL, resonated perrin cat back, vortech stock pulley.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by Adeets

Your poor, poor, defenseless speakers... 8 when I'm speeding so I can hear the radar dector right as it goes off, 12 when I'm just cruising around listening to music... I think you may need a hearing test... Or some type of hearing correction device.


Borla UEL, resonated perrin cat back, vortech stock pulley.

something tells me the volume scales in the BRZ and FR-S aren't the same.

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

something tells me the volume scales in the BRZ and FR-S aren't the same.

Didn't even think about it, different head units so probably very true... I can also set my AC to a perfect 71 degrees... Oh and push button start, because race car.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by Infamous Performance

New to this party as I was directed to the thread by a customer. I have personally tested the Innovate S/C kit installed in an A/T car on my Mustang dyno. Hood closed. In So Cal on CAN91 piss water. We performed 4 back to back to back to back pulls. Car lost 10whp from start to finish.

Think that has more to do with oil temps

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by F1point4

You're right, I shouldn't have implied they were required; these changes are not required to continue operation of the vehicle. However I feel definitely wanted if you want a high performance vehicle which is will remain reliable. Everyone has different goals for the car, mine include driving it for as long as I can.

well, nothing on that list would have any negative effect on longterm reliability whatsoever (the exception being a catch can... you could argue that with no crankcase vacuum from a vta setup you sacrifice longevity to some small degree) unless you're tracking your car. if you drive it like a normal person drives a car, you shouldn't need any of that stuff, ever, and suffer no ill effects.

i only push the point because automotive forums are an echo chamber that really only exist to sell us stuff, with little care as to whether or not any of us really need it. it's important to distinguish between 'necessity' and 'necessity in extreme use cases'. typically everyone echoes ideas around to the point that everyone thinks they are an extreme use case, which 99+% of us are not.

[Frostyman]

Originally Posted by Adeets

Your poor, poor, defenseless speakers... 8 when I'm speeding so I can hear the radar dector right as it goes off, 12 when I'm just cruising around listening to music... I think you may need a hearing test... Or some type of hearing correction device.


Borla UEL, resonated perrin cat back, vortech stock pulley.

Not to mention the massive loss of audio volume when running through an aux cable and not the FM or a CD. It's a crappy head unit I think.

[Infamous Performance]

Originally Posted by whataboutbob

I'd be interested in providing a car to provide these statistics.

If you and Robi want to come in we can test the two cars on the Mustang.

I dont work for Innovate, I dont sell the kit (because I cant keep the doors open selling parts when the retail price is 15% above cost). Yes, Bill (Delicious Tuning) tunes cars on my dyno. But he is not an employee.

For reference, the final pull (4th pull) on the Innovate kit (A/T trans)


and then the final pull from a FR-S (M/T 4th gear) with the Full Blown turbo kit. Both on CAN91. Cars tested on different days so conditions not exact. Both cars tuned by Bill (Delicious Tuning).

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by jamesm

well, nothing on that list would have any negative effect on longterm reliability whatsoever (the exception being a catch can... you could argue that with no crankcase vacuum from a vta setup you sacrifice longevity to some small degree) unless you're tracking your car. if you drive it like a normal person drives a car, you shouldn't need any of that stuff, ever, and suffer no ill effects.

i only push the point because automotive forums are an echo chamber that really only exist to sell us stuff, with little care as to whether or not any of us really need it. it's important to distinguish between 'necessity' and 'necessity in extreme use cases'. typically everyone echoes ideas around to the point that everyone thinks they are an extreme use case, which 99+% of us are not.

I think catch cans for anyone running an intercooler is pretty important, reason being otherwise that blow by is gonna get caught and cooled down inside the IC and then start pooling. I know with my D3 can I catch around 4 oz per oil change and that's just daily driving.