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Old 10-18-2012, 03:54 PM   #1065
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Ok i got it

the TQ and the HP are BOTH at the crank

now everything is recalculated comparable, see #1058

even much more impressive
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:16 PM   #1066
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I hope AVO chimes in; but from what I can tell from the chart, the torque is plotted as flywheel BUT the horsepower is plotted as wheel.

Just looking at stock curves:
Torque shows a peak of roughly 160ft-lb
Horsepower shows a peak of 165hp

More math:
At 5000RPM, chart shows roughly 185whp, but at that RPM, torque shows roughly 210w-lb-ft. But calculating for torque based on 185 @ 5000rpm gets us:
Torque = 185*5252 / 5000 which gives us roughly 194.

It also doesn't help that the scale for the two isn't identical. Tuning shops should really adopt some kind of standard way to show these graphs....
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:28 PM   #1067
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I believe both HP and TQ are at the WHEELS. You dyno tune it to measure what it makes at the wheel, why convert it back to flyhweel and then advertise it.

I still wanna know what CR the engine is now. Impressive either way given 91 octane
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:39 PM   #1068
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I believe both HP and TQ are at the WHEELS. You dyno tune it to measure what it makes at the wheel, why convert it back to flyhweel and then advertise it.

I still wanna know what CR the engine is now. Impressive either way given 91 octane
Aaah, I was referring to the AVO chart, not Crawford. Clarifying for.....clarity....
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:04 PM   #1069
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I know, it's confusing - wait a few days, I'll have the USDM figures on the turbo kit stage 1. That'll have base run vs. turbo run on same dyno/setup.

To clarify, the figures on the avo brz are in whp, but I'm waiting to do the dyno here for figures that are relevant to the US Market (and most other international markets).
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I know, it's confusing - wait a few days, I'll have the USDM figures on the turbo kit stage 1. That'll have base run vs. turbo run on same dyno/setup.

To clarify, the figures on the avo brz are in whp, but I'm waiting to do the dyno here for figures that are relevant to the US Market (and most other international markets).
Any details on what further stages will upgrade?
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:50 PM   #1071
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That is correct, that picture is of an oil reservoir tank.

The oil pump is mechanical, fully. And that's the final detail we will unveil when we are at SEMA. It's the most unique feature of the kit, and one of the reasons it's going to be so reliable.
I'm amazed this thread isn't full of speculation about the nature of the oil pump. I think either AVO found a way to tap into the stock pump's feed side, or they are using engine vacuum. I keep watching this tread looking for new hints.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:30 PM   #1072
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I know, it's confusing - wait a few days, I'll have the USDM figures on the turbo kit stage 1. That'll have base run vs. turbo run on same dyno/setup.

To clarify, the figures on the avo brz are in whp, but I'm waiting to do the dyno here for figures that are relevant to the US Market (and most other international markets).
You wouldn't happen to need a test car for that would you?
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:26 AM   #1073
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Seems to be missing the ac lines and the pulley is not stock.

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/file...A20-engine.jpg
The picture you posted is a LHD car. The avo kit is on a RHD car..
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:38 AM   #1074
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Yeah, they corrected me.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:03 AM   #1076
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I know, it's confusing - wait a few days, I'll have the USDM figures on the turbo kit stage 1. That'll have base run vs. turbo run on same dyno/setup.

To clarify, the figures on the avo brz are in whp, but I'm waiting to do the dyno here for figures that are relevant to the US Market (and most other international markets).
Ahhhh..... I almost had a heart attack there.... Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:08 AM   #1077
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I dared to overlay AVO Stage_1 digits with Crawford build motor & turbo kit

Just to show how straight the power "curve" is and how flat the torque "curve" is with AVO Stage_1 ))

No direct comparison - two different world of approach, not even talking money wise

I hope someone finds this of use
I had not seen the Crawford Dyno sheet, I'm appalled at how the Torque just falls off.

I'm licking my chops for this AVO kit..

@AVOturboworld, do you guys offer 0% interest financing (even if it is say for 6 months or a year) on the kit? Just asking because I'll be able to afford it summer next year, but if I could finance it and pay it off in the summer why not....
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I had not seen the Crawford Dyno sheet, I'm appalled at how the Torque just falls off.

I'm licking my chops for this AVO kit..
I'm doing the same thang )

And for the sake of comparison - Crawford is pushing 4 times more boost in it (21psi vs 5psi )
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