AVO turbo kit for BRZ - initial build thread

[AVOturboworld]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Can you be more specific when you say you do warranty against defects. what if it breaks?

Well say for example another setup proves x miles over y time. That makes it harder to buy this kit but shopping is easier then..

The conditions of use on avoturboworld.com say three months. Just wanting to know, not trying to stir anything up or be called a troll. Obviously it's a mod, I expect to pay to play.

Just when we talk of boost spikes etc, I drive often from Washington to California. When stuff happens, just good to know the terms. I know avo from back home. Big name. Still, terms are terms.

At this pricing it really doesn't matter. Can't get turbo for less

http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/conditions.php

What if what breaks, the kit parts, or the engine?

[Huehuecoyotl]

Assuming innovate and vortech are both offering buyers 12month written unlimited miles on things examples bearing failure, hopefully major parts like if the kit includes a sensor or similar part, if you offered 12 month warranty also it may help a buyer on the fence, that's all I mean.

[diss7]

Paul,

Has any testing been done on pushing the system beyond the OEM fuel system capacities? Seeing as your system seems to be theortically capable of 360hp at the crank, then running ~14 psi should result in a safe 300whp? Its the OEM fuel system holding it back..?

I guess what I am getting at, is if I can everything the kit is showing on the dyno now, but with 50 more hp, for the additional cost of injectors + pump + clutch, I see this as a cheap cost for an extra 50hp, which imo would be a great street setup.


Another questions, the ECUTEK system, I take it this is a piggy system? Is this able to be told that there are larger injectors - eg full tuneabiliy on fuel mapping? Can it also adjust timing? The ECUTEK is not common in NZ at all. Sooner just put a link in it, if the ECUTEK is holding it back.

I have no issue being the first to take your system to this level if it hasn't been done yet, but interested in knowing if this has been considered/tested.

Thanks

[AVOturboworld]

Originally Posted by diss7

Paul,

Has any testing been done on pushing the system beyond the OEM fuel system capacities? Seeing as your system seems to be theortically capable of 360hp at the crank, then running ~14 psi should result in a safe 300whp? Its the OEM fuel system holding it back..?

They've been running testing in Japan on pushing the system further, mainly to test the limits of the stock fueling system, not to test the limits of the turbocharger. We've also been doing similar testing here. On their 94 octane, non-ethanol pump gas (98 in Japan) they reached about 280whp, at which point the injectors hit 90% duty cycle. We are seeing similar here.

We'll test larger injectors/fuel pump in the near future, but we are concentrating on the stage 1 turbo kit launch for the present, and after that Stage 2. In regards to a Stage 3 build, you'd be factoring in the cost of rubber, braking, and other upgrades so that the rest of the car keeps up with the engine!

I guess what I am getting at, is if I can everything the kit is showing on the dyno now, but with 50 more hp, for the additional cost of injectors + pump + clutch, I see this as a cheap cost for an extra 50hp, which imo would be a great street setup.

Factor in the price of a high-flow catted secondary (front pipe) as well. The OEM unit is quite small, and is a bottleneck once going past 5-6psi.

Another questions, the ECUTEK system, I take it this is a piggy system? Is this able to be told that there are larger injectors - eg full tuneabiliy on fuel mapping? Can it also adjust timing? The ECUTEK is not common in NZ at all. Sooner just put a link in it, if the ECUTEK is holding it back.

Ecutek reflashes the stock ECU, it's not a piggy back or standalone. Trust me, we are Link dealers as well, if they had a standalone for the BRZ/FR-S, we'd have one on the car for testing!

Ecutek as a reflash solution, though, can indeed be edited for larger injectors, ignition timing, and more. Plus it maintains the daily driveability of the car.

Edit: Final Note
The turbocharger is not *that* small. We are running it at 5-7psi, but it will push up to 18psi if run all out.

[diss7]

We have the same fuel here. 280whp is great, and in my experience 90% duty cycle on injectors is not anything to worry about. Sure, its not ideal, but I personally wouldn't upgrade a system for that reason.

Not looking to do the car in 'stages', would rather just spend the money upfront. Works out cheaper in the long run, have learnt that lesson many times over.

Agree that rubber/brakes/suspension should be upgraded to match. Will be doing this at the same time as well, parts already arriving and I don't have the car yet.

Your next point about the front pump, I assume is a typo and should say front pipe. Bugger, I was hoping to keep stock exhaust for a more stealth look, but looks like this isn't an option. Thanks for the advise.

No issue with a reflash system, as keeping driveability is number one focus. As long as we can fine tune here I see no issue. I will go and talk to my tuner on Monday whether he has come across the system before, and what his thoughts are.

Cheers.

[AVOturboworld]

Oops, changed the pump to pipe. Not enough coffee in my system, or not enough beer...

[seven]

Originally Posted by diss7

Not looking to do the car in 'stages', would rather just spend the money upfront. Works out cheaper in the long run, have learnt that lesson many times over.

I like this man's style.

Same here

[sandman126]

Originally Posted by diss7

We have the same fuel here. 280whp is great, and in my experience 90% duty cycle on injectors is not anything to worry about. Sure, its not ideal, but I personally wouldn't upgrade a system for that reason.

Not looking to do the car in 'stages', would rather just spend the money upfront. Works out cheaper in the long run, have learnt that lesson many times over.

Agree that rubber/brakes/suspension should be upgraded to match. Will be doing this at the same time as well, parts already arriving and I don't have the car yet.

Your next point about the front pump, I assume is a typo and should say front pipe. Bugger, I was hoping to keep stock exhaust for a more stealth look, but looks like this isn't an option. Thanks for the advise.

No issue with a reflash system, as keeping driveability is number one focus. As long as we can fine tune here I see no issue. I will go and talk to my tuner on Monday whether he has come across the system before, and what his thoughts are.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

Factor in the price of a high-flow catted secondary (front pipe) as well. The OEM unit is quite small, and is a bottleneck once going past 5-6psi.

Actually i bet you could still get away with the stock cat back, just replace the over pipe and front pipe, to get rid of some restriction and bottle necking. Exhaust gasses as the go through the exhaust start to shrink because of them cooling down the further it goes through the exhaust system. So depending on how much power you want to make, i think you'd be alright at 280whp on the stock cat back.

[AVOturboworld]

Originally Posted by vubaru

Paul, just to clarify because I think this question will benefit other purchasers of the AVO stage 1 kit who also have header-back exhausts and hi-flow cats:

Will you have the alternative base map available for FT86's with high-flow secondary catalysts at the time the kits are shipped out to us? Or is this going to be a concern for me that I need to address ASAP along with the installation of the kit because the map for cars with high-flow cats won't be available when the kit is released?

I was planning on using AVO's base map for Stage 1 since your reputation is very good, so I would prefer not having to go to a local third party tuner to get my own 'tweaked' base map

I learned about boost creep from my stage 2+ OBXT. I needed a tune for most power mods because of boost creep on that EJ25T. I don't know why I thought the BRZ once turboed would be any different!

The BRZ/FR-S isn't being tuned out to 18-24psi though. Boost creep is happening at the higher pressures on the old Impreza's, yes, but they are being run at much more boost.

For people that buy a kit directly through us, we can adjust the base map. But the further you get away from the stage 1 hardware, the more possibility you'll need tweaking to the map to keep up with those changes.

[AVOturboworld]

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This was on the 5psi base tune and the 245/45 Direzza's.

[diss7]

Can't understand the forum logic about being okay running base maps. Every car/climate/local fuel is slightly different.

IMO if you can't afford a tune after putting a turbo kit on, you can't afford the turbo kit.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

This was on the 5psi base tune and the 245/45 Direzza's.

Red X is red...

[AVOturboworld]

Don't look at me, show's up fine on my computer! And it is Youtube, not Facebook this time.

[2forme]

Weird. I can't even click it in your post, but can in my quoted post.