Car doesn't drive right after LCA install, need your help/advise

[Kwise1]

Here's the situation, i was running a set of 19x8.5 wheels with 225/35 tires all around and my handling was awesome! I bought a set of 19x8.5 front and 19x10 rear wheels using the old 225/35 tire for the front and a new 235/35 rear. I also bought the spc lower control arms. Installing the LCA's I noticed the more I go camber out the more toe in was getting, I didn't have time to install the toe bushings so I reinstalled the stock arms. When installing the stock LCA's I tightened the bolts before lowering the car to the ground. Ever since this day my car doesn't drive right. It feels very loose in the rear end like it wants to slip out. What I've done since this is remove the 10" wheels and went with 8.5 front and 9.5 rear still using the old 225/35 tires and the new 235/35 rear. I had the car aligned and after explaining what I did to the shop they told me the correct way to install the arms. They loosened up the bolts to let the car settle ( which it did by about a half an inch) then tightened them. The car felt better but not like it used to before all this. I decided to completely uninstall the arms and reinstall them like I was originally supposed to. The car still drove somewhat better but not perfect. I then brought my tire pressure to 35 from 40 which also helped the stability. After all this the car is drivable but still doesn't feel as good as it used to. My next thought is the inner LCA bushings are bad and need to be replaced, so I am waiting on my whiteline ones to come in. I'm asking for any suggestions as to what would fix this issue, after I install the bushings and get another alignment if that doesn't fix this I don't know what else to do. I would very much like my car to drive like it did before. Please advise
Btw I'm lowered on Megan ez street coilovers, all the way down.

[SubieNate]

Originally Posted by Kwise1

Btw I'm lowered on Megan ez street coilovers, all the way down.

*cough* Might have something to do with it. *cough*

Ahem. Now for the helpful part.

All the way down is never going to drive well. Period. That said, if the control arms are all that changed, your alignment is probably still fubar. You could have damaged the bushings during one of the installs but damage due to use is unlikely in a car this new.

*rant time*
I am continually astounded by the number of people going out and spending $25k on a car and then throwing bargain basement parts at it. I understand that people have different goals, and that most are different from mine. But there is such a thing as common sense and respecting the engineering. It is obvious that in this case modifications were done with very little understanding of the physics or mechanics that were being affected. Points for manning up and asking for help, but next time research and understand what you are doing before you hurt someone.
*end rant*

Cheers
Nathan

[gramicci101]

Changing camber via the rear LCA will always affect toe on this car, so you have to have the ability to do both, or not at all.

As far as the car not driving correctly, I second the alignment suggestion.

[CSG David]

Try contacting the vendor who sold you the camber arms. They will know exactly what's wrong with your setup especially if there is a potential part defect.

[SubieNate]

Also. What kind of tires did you put on? Are the new rears a match to the fronts?

[diss7]

Post the alignment specs. My money is that it's a toe issue

[mav1178]

Read.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=47

-alex

[sshole]

Just keep throwing money at it. The problem will eventually disappear, right?

Also, 19x10 rear wheels with 235 width tires? Really?

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by sshole

Also, 19x10 rear wheels with 235 width tires? Really?

Originally Posted by Kwise1

Btw I'm lowered on Megan ez street coilovers, all the way down.

This sums that up

More on topic, were the coilovers installed before any of this started? Were they touched at all in the process (other than unbolting them from the LCA)?

[SPCPerformance]

Hey Kwise - Vic from SPC here - I am going to forward this to our designers - they will get back to you this afternoon with some suggestions for your set-up!!!

The LCAs are stable, once installed and tightened correctly - I am going to be posting some Gatebil drift footage of one of our set-ups on an FT-86 that is running our LCAs - they held all through a really intense drifting season, and the team loves them!

[gramicci101]

Awesome customer service right there.

[supramkivtt2jz]

Im betting toe. My car felt the same way after the lowering spring install until I got it to the alignment shop.

[SPCPerformance]

Sorry to hear that you have taken your kit off Kwise1. As you found, the more you change camber, the more you will change toe. The kit you had from SPC had an off-set toe bushing included so that you could effectively change the length of the OE toe link and then dial-in your toe setting with the OE cam.

As SubieNate alluded, your suspension is a system. Whenever you change ride rate, ride height, tire package etc… you will change the way the car feels. To minimize any compounding affect with other components, SPC has put adjustment out at the wheel. All other arms on the market make the adjustment on the inboard end of the arm, so… when you change length of the arm you effectively change the pick-up point of the stabilizer bar and the strut, it is a small affect, but it throws more variables into your system.

The only ride difference you should see when you install SPC Arms, (and you will need to be a ride quality engineer to detect it,) is that the rear end will be a bit stiffer as we have replaced the OE rubber bushing in the camber link with an xAxis sealed flex joint.

If you want easier or more toe adjustment, check out our toe link part number 67655.

[Kwise1]

Originally Posted by SubieNate

*cough* Might have something to do with it. *cough*



Ahem. Now for the helpful part.



All the way down is never going to drive well. Period. That said, if the control arms are all that changed, your alignment is probably still fubar. You could have damaged the bushings during one of the installs but damage due to use is unlikely in a car this new.



*rant time*

I am continually astounded by the number of people going out and spending $25k on a car and then throwing bargain basement parts at it. I understand that people have different goals, and that most are different from mine. But there is such a thing as common sense and respecting the engineering. It is obvious that in this case modifications were done with very little understanding of the physics or mechanics that were being affected. Points for manning up and asking for help, but next time research and understand what you are doing before you hurt someone.

*end rant*



Cheers

Nathan

I had the Megan coils on with the old wheels same height and that's when the car drove fine. I've had no issue with the coils the only time the problem started like I said in the post was when I messed with the arms.
So I'm pretty sure the coils or how far the car is lowered had nothing to do with it.
Calm down with your rant, options are like assholes everyone has one no one wants to hear it.