winter tires

[lionbacker54]

anyone have recommendations, good or bad, about any particular winter tires for the BRZ? i am thinking about the blizzaks

[ZionsWrath]

Best bang for buck general altimax arctic. But you will have ZERO fun as they are trash for "spirited" driving. But hey I bought a set on my last car and have 4 seasons on them with at least half tread left. Probably get rid of them for being old before I wear them out.

[dsgerbc]

Altimax - best bang per stupid buck. They get rave reviews from people who never had winter tires before and bought the cheapest option. There are much better options for the money.
I'd recommend either Michelin Xi3 or Conti EWC for this car. And I wholeheartedly disagree with "zero fun". Driving on Xi3 last winter was the most fun I've had in this car. I see, however, how "grip junkies" could see this as torture.

Also - there's a whole tire/wheel subforum with loads of information.

[dbrandt01]

Well, this may be irrelevant because I live in Alabama and have no snow, SubaruWRXfan on YouTube has the Dunlop Winter Sport M3 and he seems to like them in his recent videos. He compares the Dunlop's to Blizzaks I believe

He talks about them at about 5:15
[ame]http://youtu.be/V_FsbYXO04Y?t=5m18s[/ame]

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Altimax - best bang per stupid buck. They get rave reviews from people who never had winter tires before and bought the cheapest option. There are much better options for the money.
I'd recommend either Michelin Xi3 or Conti EWC for this car. And I wholeheartedly disagree with "zero fun". Driving on Xi3 last winter was the most fun I've had in this car. I see, however, how "grip junkies" could see this as torture.

Also - there's a whole tire/wheel subforum with loads of information.

Are you really calling people who decide to get winter tires over allseason or summer, even though they are not [more] expensive "stupid".

Always elitists no matter what you do. We should call all 86 owners stupid because they didn't buy C7 vettes or Porsches.

[Whitigir]

Perfect point, Zions. I think the Majority of the 86 owners are becoming the Civic SI Crowd.

[Captain Insano]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Are you really calling people who decide to get winter tires over allseason or summer, even though they are not [more] expensive "stupid".

Always elitists no matter what you do. We should call all 86 owners stupid because they didn't buy C7 vettes or Porsches.

Agree. I have the altimax. I use them about a third of the year. They are totally fine in snow unless you are driving like a moron or the snow is too deep to prudently be driving in a car with this low of ground clearance (anything above 2-3 inches on the road imho) and no winter tire can save you in that scenario.

I have had people on this forum give me crap about the altimax because they aren't as good on ice. Rather than scoffing at my winter tire I laugh knowing it is pleny fine for the winters where I live and better than any all season tire on 99 percent of the cars on the road here in my area in the winter.

I have owned blizzaks on other cars. Are they better. Sure a little bit, but not out of this world better, gain I am never going to be driving this car in deep snow to know the difference and honestly if you are driving in snow above 4" and your ground clearance you are asking for trouble regardless of tire.

Finally, I drive cautiously in snowy icey or sleet conditions, i am not trying to have fun. No worries with this tire thus far.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Are you really calling people who decide to get winter tires over allseason or summer, even though they are not [more] expensive "stupid".

Always elitists no matter what you do. We should call all 86 owners stupid because they didn't buy C7 vettes or Porsches.

Nope, it's like calling out those who bought some other coupe (i.e. the said Civic) for the twins' money. I repeat, Altimaxes look good for the money for someone who never had any winter tires. In absolute sense they suck donkey butt. They utilize ancient technology and are targeted exactly at the crowd that doesn't know enough about winter tires. I'm not entirely against them, since people typically buy something better as their next set, but the initial stage of conversion from all-seasons to seasonal tires, aka buying Altimaxes, is entirely avoidable.
If you don't care about good ice grip, for the money you're better off with latest-generation performance winter tires.

I cannot honestly recommend those Altimaxes to anyone. These are 10-year old design, meant to be used as studded. Using them w/o studs is questionable at best. If you can use them w/studs, they are okay.

For _the same money_ you can buy good winter tires for your preferences.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by lionbacker54

anyone have recommendations, good or bad, about any particular winter tires for the BRZ? i am thinking about the blizzaks

Blizzaks are oriented towards traction on ice. They aren't very good as snow tires and even less good on bare roads. Plus they are only half a tire. Once they are half worn they're no good on ice either.

Best all round winter tire at the moment is the Continental ExtemeWinter Contact.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=167

Nokian also makes good studless rubber.

For better bare road performance step up to Pirelli Sottozero or Michelin Pilot Alpin. Be aware that high performance winter tires grip less well on ice and handle snow less well tons studless rubber. For a daily driver get studless winter tires.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Altimax - best bang per stupid buck. They get rave reviews from people who never had winter tires before and bought the cheapest option. There are much better options for the money.
I'd recommend either Michelin Xi3 or Conti EWC for this car. And I wholeheartedly disagree with "zero fun". Driving on Xi3 last winter was the most fun I've had in this car. I see, however, how "grip junkies" could see this as torture.

Also - there's a whole tire/wheel subforum with loads of information.

You are trying to compare apples to oranges. The Altimax is designed for studs so won't compare to studless tires. It does excel in its category:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=123

Note it outperforms other stud intended tires even when not studded.

You'll get longer tread life and greater bare road stability from a winter tire designed to be studded, if no studs are fitted, than you will from a studless rubber design. Your choice depends on what you expect and what you need.

General is owned by Continental and benefits from industry leading tire technology.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Suberman

You are trying to compare apples to oranges. The Altimax is designed for studs so won't compare to studless tires. It does excel in its category:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=123

Note it outperforms other stud intended tires even when not studded.

You'll get longer tread life and greater bare road stability from a winter tire designed to be studded, if no studs are fitted, than you will from a studless rubber design. Your choice depends on what you expect and what you need.

General is owned by Continental and benefits from industry leading tire technology.

Like I said , if you care about winter dry grip - get performance winter rubber, which will be better in the dry and comparable in snow/ice.

Altimax is owned by Continental and reuses Conti's decade-old designs. Gislaved NF3 was a top studded tire 10+ years ago.


Tirerack's 'studded' category doesn't include ANY good studded tire. It's literally all junk. Nothing from Nokian/Michelin/Conti/etc. There are TONS of studded tire tests in European mags. None of tirerack's list are any good.

[pche]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

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They utilize ancient technology and are targeted exactly at the crowd that doesn't know enough about winter tires. I'm not entirely against them, since people typically buy something better as their next set, but the initial stage of conversion from all-seasons to seasonal tires, aka buying Altimaxes, is entirely avoidable.
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I've always wonder why people complain about an older design. Snow is snow, it's not like 2014 snow is slipperier than 1914 snow. If it's tried and true, what's wrong with an older design??

ETA: I have the Altimax and love them. I drive normally in the snow, I don't ice race. I have them on my stock wheels for winter in case I get caught in the snow by surprise because my 255 summer tires can't get any where. If it's snowing when I leave I'll take the Forester.

So if you just looking to have a good set of snow tires to get back and forth to work in the winter, the Generals are plenty good and affordable. If you're looking to climb the Rockies in the dead of winter, you got the wrong car.

[dsgerbc]

^A phone is a phone, right? I guess you're still rotary-dialing then? Tire technology has improved quite a bit over the past ten years.

For about the same money one can have better tires, and that's my point.

I'm totally used to the "cheap and affordable" crowd defending their purchases. Nothing surprising in that, doesn't mean others should follow you guys.

[headlikeahole]

If you want the best of the best, get toyos (Gsi5/Garrit) or Nokians. They are the masters of winter tires and seriously underated. My Toyos are better in dry conditions then even some all season tires, and equally amazing on ice and snow. I believe both companies use crushed walnut shells in their compound which act like microscoping studs on ice (allegedly).

If you want bang for your buck, get the Hankook Ipike 409. They wont be as nice on dry roads but theyll do the trick on snow/ice. I believe they are the same or close to the altimax that were mentioned above.

Two family members of mine used the latest Xice generation and both hated them. Claimed they are not as good as previous michelins. Also Blizzaks have a extremely soft compound which after 1000+ miles loses most of its effectiveness, they are amazing at first but degrade very quickly.