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Originally Posted by enjoyminutemaid
I don't believe that's the main point of what OP is saying. I think the most important part is that these car's take multiple data logs and reflashes, over an extended time period, to get the most consistency and maximum power.
Even with a turbo, nearly every kit out there requires a license, and practically speaking, a cable. You will still need to data log and update your flash to get the best results.
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Exactly...the first time on the dyno it looked like an easy 15+ hp across the board. But with the learning on this car it is difficult to pinpoint exact gains. Between the fine learning and the advance multiplier, the stock car starts off strong, but after a few runs and some miles the power would drop off. Initial testing then proved disappointing when compared to a freshly reset stock tune....just a few hp in the dip and up top. But further testing showed that consistency on the stock tune was terrible, and if you averaged the HP gains on the stock tune car vs the tuned car, the gains were more substantial. With ethanol I was surprised to see that today in 50 deg weather we're pulling the same g's and the car feels just as fast as in 30 deg weather. Stock car it was night and day.
In the dip and up top as you can see in the dyno (vs fresh reset stock tune) we still did good. While the stock tune would falter after a while, the performance of the tuned car would be more consistent.
As to what others do I have no idea and it is not relevant to this thread, but gearing has an effect on dynojet type dynos and you have to compare 4th to 4th 5th to 5th etc....
Having done this in the MX-5 arena for a few years the last thing I want is a customer doing a dyno and finding no gains...but what we see at times is the stock tune works good most of the time, but when you average out runs, or look at sustained performance; the tuned cars are faster.
I wish I could make public the stuff we have on the backend of the EcuTek platform (it would be giving it away...) but the featureset and map switching ability here is unprecedented.
An update for pump gas folks is in the works as well, waiting for the weather to warm up a bit to make sure we make the most of it.
In regards to the turbo/SC options--absolutely, you'll love it. The MX-5 I have is a rocket at 2450lbs and ~350whp at this point. But two different beasts. One spins the wheels at command, the other is a balanced and precise tool that needs little to no maintenance. Both are incredibly fun, but it stinks to be half way through the rev range and lose power. 10 lb/ft down low and 15 hp up top don't seem like much, but given the cost/hp and the additional features it is a bargain.
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Originally Posted by Shit Luck
where exactly are you guys located?
I am in york Pa and trying to find a "local" shop to work with for tuning.
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Located in Easton, PA, but we have dyno availability either out of Easton, Nazareth, and Lansdale, PA. Since so many of the customers are located quite far away, we have done remote dyno sessions via e-mail/skype from AU to EU to CT. As long as the dyno operator has WiFi we can dyno remotely by receiving the logs/plots and sending tunes. Never thought this would be possible even 5 years ago but it works!