Hi, im new here and almost become a 86 member!
 

Hi, guys, right now i m selling my 2009 GTR cause i need money, and i plan to get a 2013 brz limited which is my first manual car, hopefully my Chinese drivers license is work for me to daily drive(only can drive manual car to pass test in my city)

i have a few question about the brz right now, so if u mod ur brz/frs already, plz help me:

1.is the OEM suspension good? im thinking change springs only, not the whole suspension system.
2.the first mod i want is brake, i saw AP racing have it and not too expensive, but how about rear brake, only pads are ok? or also change the brake system.
3.i also want to change wheels and tires, the OEM tires are beautiful but... 215/17, motorcycle width..17*9 and 255/40/17 is fine on track?
4. what turbo or SC do u guys use, i think when i change car from GTR to BRZ, i can feel this is like SUV...and 300-450 whp i think is fine, i dont want too much whp and get too much issues, cause i will daily drive it.



Thanks guys, there is a lot of questions, haha, plz help me:thanks: and... yep, today is Chinese New Year, Happy Chinese New Year!!:thumbup:



Edit:
At first, thanks to everybody who help me and give me suggestion, and i want to explain about why i want to sell my GTR:

i finance this car from my friend, and i have to pay 1500+ to my friends, my friends want the tax fee right now which is 2000, and i cant afford it, and for this 5 years used car, brake pad almost gone, replace hawk dtc 60 or 70 almost $500, and i have to change engile oil every 3000 miles, $300, also transmission oil, rotor, etc.that is a lot of money for just maintains....
for a international student, my parents give me some money, after i pay to my friends every month and apt fees, i only have $200 in my pocket, i just want my life become better, not burger everyday...
I agree with u guys, GTR is a track monster, but for me only drive car for 1 and half year and less than 10 track experiences, really cant hold this monster on track.
before GTR i drive porsche cayman no S, that car is so much balance and only 265 HP, thats why i think 300WHP is really fine for me, drag race is boring, and mod mid-engine car is so difficult and expensive...the reason sell this is cause this car have accidents but no carfax, and my friend (WAS) who sell me this car dont tell me that, i m too young and idiot to trust him.


Post this because if u want say "keep GTR" like this, i just want to say i cant ....I love GTR but i have no choice.

You will hate this car. You should not buy it.

well, can u tell me why? I didnt buy it yet...cause my budget is not too much

1. I feel OEM suspension is good but I only daily drive my car so far, maybe anybody with some track experience would be willing to chime in and help out on that. For springs, maybe RaceComp Engineering Yellows.

2. Try feeling out how the stock brakes are before changing them out, there is a very good brake guide in the suspension section of the forum. Most say that only pads would be good.

3. A lot of people on the forums do run 17x9 wheels they may be able to help you out with this, I am currently on the stock wheels and tires.

4. Before deciding on how much power you need or how the car may feel, especially coming from a GTR, try test driving the car and determine if you feel the car will work for you.

Just buy this dude's and be done with it
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82572

You do it yourself and you are going to spend over $40k on the car you outlined. Aftermarket forced induction is not a game for those with budgets.

Edit: I agree with everything stated in the post above.

over 40k? wow, i dont want the best suspension or tire or turbo, just improve performance is fine, wheels+tires+suspension+brake=4000 plus 4000-6000 turbo, i think 15000 is fine, i have friend own a auto shop and labor fee is not too much

thanks a lot, cause i drive GTR to track, for daily drive, brake is awesome, but when i play on track, may only 15 laps in Buttonwillow, brake is not good at all( OEM brake fluid), so i think BRZ OEM rotor will become really hot

I was including cost of the car in the equation, so ~$26K plus ~15K will put you over $40K all in. There's also the money you will want to have saved away just in case you blow up the engine. If you want the best suspension/wheel and tire setup, you can add ANOTHER $10K on to that.

Plus car! Hah, I got it, I find a car is around 21000-22000, , I will not buy a new car, SoCal tax is too high


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Your going to spend more money on the frs to get it to be as fast as your gtr from what you're getting back from selling a used gt-r. I've seen them at dealerships used for 65 grand. The amount of mods you have to put into an frs to make it's 2.0 liter four cylinder match the gtr's v6 3.8 twin turbo is not going to make it a happy daily driver. Don't get me wrong, the nissan gtr is an amazing car, and Godzilla is the perfect nick name for it, but when you play with a fr-s, most of us will be happy enough with a good suspension set up, good brakes, and some spare wheels. I've met a lot of car enthusiasts that just dumps money into these cars to turbo them or supercharge them, and they don't even track it. They just end up selling it because they miscalculated how much they needed for a turbo car vs life expenses lol.

Since you're considering used, there's a guy on here that's selling a WRB BRZ with JDL turbo and only 5k miles for $35k... now that's the best bang for your buck.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81584

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You want a WRX. I'm just telling you now, going from 400hp to 180hp AWD to RWD is going to be awful.

@Tcoat


First thing I thought of when I read the title :lol:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81243

I will not catch the GTR, 300 whp for me is really enough, I really can't hold GTR on track, some reason make me must sell it... I also don't want to sell it, buy no choice..


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I saw this and interior is awesome! But I really don't know how to ship a car from NY to SoCal, and how can I pay to him without risk..


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Keep gtr, brz is a track toy while Godzilla is track weapon...

But ya both are not that good for daily, u will likely regret it. Another thing is that you should get an international drivers license, I believe urs is only good for a month or few.

Then again isn't 09 the first gen gtr? Insert joke about launch control void warranty.

Go on a road trip! :D Or pay for a plane ticket and then go on a road trip!

Because you are already planning to mod the car without having driven it. You already think you're not satisfied with the car stock, so you're already chasing some vague ideal in your head that doesn't actually exist. You will spend a load of money on the car and never quite achieve any level of satisfaction with it.

If you buy this car, you will either end up selling it next year at a huge loss (after the cost of the car + mods), or you will be stuck with it until the engine grenades. Either way you will never be happy with it, because this is not really the car you're looking for.

Why can't you keep the GT-R? By the time you complete all these mods, you will have spent all the money you get from selling the GT-R, so I can't see a serious financial motive there.

1) OEM suspension is very good.

2) Changing just the pads on the rear brakes should be fine if you're on a budget. This would be similar to the Stoptech "small" BBK front brake setup. Most of the braking is done by the front anyway. You can read more here.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=59726&page=3

3) 17x9 wheels with 255 width tires should be fine depending on tire choice. Some tires run wide. You will need to go with an offset of +40 or +35 on the wheels to clear the strut or go with aftermarket coilovers.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1117030

4) If you want 300-450 whp reliably on the track, you'll probably need to go with a turbo setup. You should start reading extensively on cooling mods (vented hood, oil cooler, etc.), as you will run into heat issues.

If you have budget restrictions, I'd probably go with a JRSC (supercharger) with supporting mods/upgrades and call it a day. You'll be under the 300 whp mark, but at least you'll be able to track it hard without too many issues.


Lastly as others have said, make sure you test drive the car and it's what you want. At the end of the day, you'll have dumped a lot of money making it track-reliable with 300+ whp, and it's not for everyone.

Who says the fr-s isn't a good daily?

I clock 700-800 miles a week on mine. love it.

Full exhaust and bilstein B8s on sportlines, racerx lcas. Full bushings from whiteline. TRD quickshifter.. see no problems daily ;)

Why is the BRZ/FR-S not good as a daily? I personally love it.

Since you are making this move because of money, maybe consider something even cheaper to just DD and save money for what you want after test driving anything you like. Just a suggestion.

And as stated, if you buy the BRZ, drive it for a bit before you start upgrading. People really should get a feel for a car before throwing money at it.

I think a lot of the "not good as a daily" crowd are missing the point that many of us that daily it do not use it as the only family car. If they are thinking daily as in it is the only vehicle you own to take the kids to soccer, grab piles of groceries, and hauling stuff around then ya they are probably correct.
For me it is absolutely the perfect DD for my long commutes and haul my laptop around. My wife's RVR serves all our other needs.

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At first, thanks to everybody who help me and give me suggestion, and i want to explain about why i want to sell my GTR:

i finance this car from my GTR, and i have to pay 1500+ to my friends, my friends want the tax fee right now which is 2000, and i cant afford it, and for this 5 years used car, brake pad almost gone, replace hawk dtc 60 or 70 almost $500, and i have to change engile oil every 3000 miles, $300, also transmission oil, rotor, etc.that is a lot of money for just maintains....
for a international student, my parents give me some money, after i pay to my friends every month and apt fees, i only have $200 in my pocket, i just want my life become better, not burger everyday...:(
I agree with u guys, GTR is a track monster, but for me only drive car for 1 and half year and less than 10 track experiences, really cant hold this monster on track.
before GTR i drive porsche cayman no S, that car is so much balance and only 265 HP, thats why i think 300WHP is really fine for me, drag race is boring, and mod mid-engine car is so difficult and expensive...the reason sell this is cause this car have accidents but no carfax, and my friend (WAS) who sell me this car dont tell me that, i m too young and idiot to trust him.


Post this because if u want say "keep GTR" like this, i just want to say i cant ....I love GTR but i have no choice.:brokenheart:

can definitely see that one T.

edited - I love my FRS as a ME/ME+COLLEAGUE ONLY daily/commuter :)

i got extended warranty which is include transmission and im already change a new transmission 1 month ago:happyanim:

Thanks a lot, i saw a lot of turbo is a combo, like full blown, i saw intercooler, fans, a lot of things here, even i buy this combo i still can get overheat issues?

it's the City, LA road codition is like the worst roakkd u can find

Probably. It's going to depend on how hard you are pushing the car at the track, ambient temps, etc., but I'd look at the following build as an example of a well-sorted, heavily-tracked turbo BRZ:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28008

Especially this post:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=215

Even with a vented hood, intercooler, ducted side-mounted oil cooler, and upgraded radiator/fans, he was still seeing coolant temps in the 225-235 F range. It's mostly a function of the intercooler blocking airflow to the radiator and the heat put out by the turbo. Oil temps looked good though.

It's not impossible to track a turbo BRZ/FR-S, just takes time and money to get it right. If you're serious about it, I'd talk to either Counterspace Garage or Element Tuning. Both have significant track and setup experience with turbo FR-S/BRZ's.
@CSG Mike @Element Tuning

Agreed.

In some places, anything less than a full size truck would be viewed as less-than-practical. Much of Canada for instance. :D

1. It's not bad, but it's not "good" when you're comparing it to a proper high performance setup. You can't beat not spending extra though.
2. Stock rear rotors are fine, unless you're pretty quick and have forced induction and are running sticky tires.
3. Yup, but the fastest tire setup, even on forced induction cars, has been proven to be a narrower tire.
4. You will not reliably make 300-450whp for track use, without spending GTR level money.

What kind of lap times do you run at BRP in your GTR?

Ironically, ImperiousRex also sold his GTR for the BRZ.

Or Alaska. 4WD/AWD is king. People doubt the ability of a FWD, and more so of a RWD. They think FWD is okay-ish until snow builds up enough to get it stuck and RWD just won't move. They even think I fabricated a crazy story when I tell them my experiences with RWD in the snow.

I don't know but coming from gtr to 86 is a big change. The fact He lives in west la, also this will be his 1st manual car not to mention about the traffic & road condition there. I just think he will be more happy.... With an older Sti or Evo.

Actually for me a truck would be impractical as a DD. I have friends that drive a Ram 1500 4WD as a daily driver. They pay about 3 times what I do for gas, have to cram everything in the back seat or fold up the cover on the back, have a bitch of a time parking it, each tire costs about as much as a full set for my car and they have never, ever used it to haul a thing!

I agree.
From what he said that would also be a much better fit for his budget! If he can't afford what he has then trying to get a 300hp fully modded FRS does not really work with his price point either.

None of his posts are really making any sense at all. He says he's a student who can't afford his six year old GT-R because it has damage and expensive issues that need to be corrected and he owes other people money, so he's planning to sell it to pay for an 86 and a whole lot of mods that, all together, are going to cost more than he'll get for the GT-R. After all that, it sounds like he'll still have the same financial issues, but he'll be driving a car that will not perform to the ideal he has created in his head. All this before even having driven the car to know if it's even the right base to build from.

I love my own BRZ, but I'll say it again: OP would be making a mistake to buy one. This car will be an enduring source of frustration, and in the end he'll lose even more money when he tries to sell it next year and discovers that he can't get his money back out of his mods.

Here's what I predict will actually happen: OP will put his GT-R up for sale for way too much money and will have a devil of a time selling it. Then financial crisis will force him to take much less than he's expecting. After he pays off the people whom he owes money, he'll have barely enough to buy a stock FR-S. Then he'll drive it around generally dissatisfied, wishing he had more power, until he trades it for something else.

What is BRP mean? And I drive in buttonwillow is not fast, only 2:14


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Yep!
And although I usually do not throw the word around lightly the whole thing could be a big troll post to start with! Don't think so but still possible.

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BRP is Buttonwillow Raceway Park.

If you're doing a 2:14 at BRP in a GT-R, you really should leave the engine alone on the BRZ.

I've lapped 2:06 on the old pavement in a 100% stock BRZ, minus brake pads and fluid.

Ops, I mean, I will buy a brz first and another money give back my friends, maybe half year I can give all back to him, after that, I will mod it step by step, maybe take long time(3year?) not buy everything together at same time


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