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86geek 02-01-2015 08:42 PM

I'm looking to upgrade speakers
 
I don't wanna spend big bucks on new speakers but something better than stock. Any suggestions on brands? Or would it be ideal to just upgrade the amplifier for better sound quality? Add self powered sub for better bass? Any suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. :)

kuidaore 02-01-2015 08:45 PM

What exactly is "big bucks"? What is you absolute budget? You'll end up having to get an amp for sure if you want to run sub+speakers.

86geek 02-01-2015 09:07 PM

$300.00 is my budget....I don't wanna spend more than that....just want a better sound than the stock....

nivek111070 02-01-2015 09:43 PM

You won't get better sound from just speakers in fact just the opposit.
I put in my focals before adding the amps and it was not better until the amps were installed

brandonblt2 02-01-2015 09:48 PM

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BZFSYA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1"]Amazon.com : Infinity Reference 6032cf 6.5-Inch 180-Watt High-Performance 2-Way Speakers (Pair) : Vehicle Speakers : Car Electronics[/ame]
Infinity Reference

Brought a pair of these to replace the stock door speakers much clearer sound and its actually two speakers so now its a 10 speaker system in my car.

brandonblt2 02-01-2015 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nivek111070 (Post 2114331)
You won't get better sound from just speakers in fact just the opposit.
I put in my focals before adding the amps and it was not better until the amps were installed

Not true your focals were probably 4 ohms if you pickup 2 ohm speakers you wont need to upgrade the stock amp and you will still get a better sound.

86geek 02-01-2015 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonblt2 (Post 2114337)
Amazon.com : Infinity Reference 6032cf 6.5-Inch 180-Watt High-Performance 2-Way Speakers (Pair) : Vehicle Speakers : Car Electronics
Infinity Reference

Brought a pair of these to replace the stock door speakers much clearer sound and its actually two speakers so now its a 10 speaker system in my car.

Thanks...so I wouldn't need to upgrade the stock amp with those speakers?
Any other suggestions on speakers/amp for a budget of $300.00? Thanks:)

brandonblt2 02-01-2015 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by geek808@outlook.com (Post 2114393)
Thanks...so I wouldn't need to upgrade the stock amp with those speakers?
Any other suggestions on speakers/amp for a budget of $300.00? Thanks:)

Yup with this speakers you don't need to. For me it sounds good pretty good right now but I have a upgraded headunit I would suggest adding some more sound deadening to the doors to reduce some the road noise.

Antairez 02-03-2015 02:42 AM

Has anyone on the forum tried the oem audio plus? Curious how the speakers were improved because I don't really care about the sub....


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tigermack 02-03-2015 03:24 AM

I wonder how much the HU had an effect to the speakers you got... When I had an aftermarket HU on a different car, the stock speakers were pushing out more and sounded better.

meWant 02-03-2015 04:06 AM

Do you know if these can be used [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-629I-Two-Way-Speakers--Inch/dp/B0019G2HA0/ref=sr_1_7?s=car&ie=UTF8&qid=1422949726&sr=1-7#productDetails"]Infinity 62.9i Two Way Speakers[/ame] in a plug and play manner for the door speakers?

if they can, can anybody also tell me what else I will need to install them. This would be my first speaker install so if I can get by with running the factory wiring for now that would be great and also if I need a spacer, are there any recommended ones that would be compatible with these?

brandonblt2 02-03-2015 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by meWant (Post 2116093)
Do you know if these can be used Infinity 62.9i Two Way Speakers in a plug and play manner for the door speakers?

if they can, can anybody also tell me what else I will need to install them. This would be my first speaker install so if I can get by with running the factory wiring for now that would be great and also if I need a spacer, are there any recommended ones that would be compatible with these?

yea looking at them they should be since they're 2ohm speakers. I used metra 72-8104 for wire connectors easy plug and play. The spacer I used was Scosche 6.5" spacer but this one required modifications to use so I would recommend going up a size.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NWCIEG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1#produc tDetails"]Amazon.com : Scosche SAT6 Speaker Adapter for 2000-Up Toyota Echo/Avalon : Vehicle Speaker Installation : Car Electronics[/ame]

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002BBP7Y/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1"]Amazon.com: Metra 72-8104 Speaker Connector for Select Toyota Vehicles: Electronics[/ame]

brandonblt2 02-03-2015 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tigermack (Post 2116058)
I wonder how much the HU had an effect to the speakers you got... When I had an aftermarket HU on a different car, the stock speakers were pushing out more and sounded better.

Well my headunit is more of android device where they focused more on the display, feel, and app integration versus the sound quality you would get from a Kenwood or JVC. So sound improved slightly over stock enough to notice tho.

Chimera 02-03-2015 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meWant (Post 2116093)
Do you know if these can be used Infinity 62.9i Two Way Speakers in a plug and play manner for the door speakers?

if they can, can anybody also tell me what else I will need to install them. This would be my first speaker install so if I can get by with running the factory wiring for now that would be great and also if I need a spacer, are there any recommended ones that would be compatible with these?

This guy for spacers http://www.subaruaudio.net/

aznatama 02-03-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by geek808@outlook.com (Post 2114393)
Thanks...so I wouldn't need to upgrade the stock amp with those speakers?
Any other suggestions on speakers/amp for a budget of $300.00? Thanks:)

Will not work.

Stock setup is as follows:
Dash speakers - mid/high run off stock HU
Door speakers - woofers ONLY run through an amp in the trunk that FILTERS mid/high frequencies.

The guy who recommended it had an aftermarket HU, likely running these through the aftermarket HU directly.

From what I understand about the stock audio system, your best bet on your budget is to get a set of components that will fit the dash and not touch doors, or a set of components w/ woofer/midrange in door and tweeter in dash and all stock front speakers. Both will likely need to be run off a small amp, but can be done in your budget if you're doing all the labor.

Last option would be to locate and remove stock amp, replace with regular 2ch amp, use that to drive full range door speakers.

meWant 02-03-2015 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonblt2 (Post 2116201)
yea looking at them they should be since they're 2ohm speakers. I used metra 72-8104 for wire connectors easy plug and play. The spacer I used was Scosche 6.5" spacer but this one required modifications to use so I would recommend going up a size.

Amazon.com : Scosche SAT6 Speaker Adapter for 2000-Up Toyota Echo/Avalon : Vehicle Speaker Installation : Car Electronics

Amazon.com: Metra 72-8104 Speaker Connector for Select Toyota Vehicles: Electronics

So if I'm understanding this correctly, I'd be able to use the factory wiring with the speakers if I use that speaker connector? The connection would be factory wiring - > speaker connector - > speakers?

DAEMANO 02-03-2015 03:02 PM

Do this with ~$100.00 - $150.00 and keep your stock components. You'll be amazed

http://sounddeadenershowdown.com

brandonblt2 02-03-2015 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznatama (Post 2116291)
Will not work.

Stock setup is as follows:
Dash speakers - mid/high run off stock HU
Door speakers - woofers ONLY run through an amp in the trunk that FILTERS mid/high frequencies.

The guy who recommended it had an aftermarket HU, likely running these through the aftermarket HU directly.

From what I understand about the stock audio system, your best bet on your budget is to get a set of components that will fit the dash and not touch doors, or a set of components w/ woofer/midrange in door and tweeter in dash and all stock front speakers. Both will likely need to be run off a small amp, but can be done in your budget if you're doing all the labor.

Last option would be to locate and remove stock amp, replace with regular 2ch amp, use that to drive full range door speakers.

You are flat out wrong these speakers are running off the stock amp in the trunk. They don't require an additional amp or headunit and Im referring to the door speakers not the ones in the dash.

aznatama 02-03-2015 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brandonblt2 (Post 2116753)
You are flat out wrong these speakers are running off the stock amp in the trunk. They don't require an additional amp or headunit and Im referring to the door speakers not the ones in the dash.

Are you sure? from what I understand, the door speakers are woofers only, and the factory amp has a low pass filter built into it. Unless you can disable the low pass filter, which I don't think you can.
:iono:

Also, from Crutchfield website:
"The factory woofer(s) in [the doors] receive only bass frequencies from the amplifier. Replacement aftermarket speakers will only reproduce bass."

brandonblt2 02-03-2015 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meWant (Post 2116647)
So if I'm understanding this correctly, I'd be able to use the factory wiring with the speakers if I use that speaker connector? The connection would be factory wiring - > speaker connector - > speakers?

Looking at those speakers it looks like it has something that might require you stripping one side of the metra connector. But yea either way using the connector you unplug the speakers and plug in the new connector then plug that into the speakers. Its really simple when you see it.

brandonblt2 02-03-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aznatama (Post 2116766)
Are you sure? from what I understand, the door speakers are woofers only, and the factory amp has a low pass filter built into it. Unless you can disable the low pass filter, which I don't think you can.
:iono:

Also, from Crutchfield website:
"The factory woofer(s) in [the doors] receive only bass frequencies from the amplifier. Replacement aftermarket speakers will only reproduce bass."

Yea I'm pretty sure I just plugged these into where the stock speakers were no mods or anything to the headunit. So im certain they are powered by the amp only. Another guy on the forum is running the same speakers with a stock headunit and amp.

86geek 02-04-2015 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznatama (Post 2116291)
Will not work.

Stock setup is as follows:
Dash speakers - mid/high run off stock HU
Door speakers - woofers ONLY run through an amp in the trunk that FILTERS mid/high frequencies.

The guy who recommended it had an aftermarket HU, likely running these through the aftermarket HU directly.

From what I understand about the stock audio system, your best bet on your budget is to get a set of components that will fit the dash and not touch doors, or a set of components w/ woofer/midrange in door and tweeter in dash and all stock front speakers. Both will likely need to be run off a small amp, but can be done in your budget if you're doing all the labor.

Last option would be to locate and remove stock amp, replace with regular 2ch amp, use that to drive full range door speakers.

I also read somewhere that the door speakers are woofers that run off the stock amp. Would it be better sounding if I put in a 2 channel amp to run door speakers? Or a 4 channel amp to run door speakers and front deck speakers? I like my music cranked up while I'm driving. I don't wanna spend big bucks. My other Scion car stock audio sounded much better than the FRS.

aznatama 02-04-2015 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geek808@outlook.com (Post 2117666)
I also read somewhere that the door speakers are woofers that run off the stock amp. Would it be better sounding if I put in a 2 channel amp to run door speakers? Or a 4 channel amp to run door speakers and front deck speakers? I like my music cranked up while I'm driving. I don't wanna spend big bucks. My other Scion car stock audio sounded much better than the FRS.

Best option IMO is to replace dash and door speakers with a 2-way component speaker system, mounting the tweeter in the dash, and woofer in the door. Run it off a 2ch amp w/ speaker level inputs. The only problem is that this may be pushing your budget depending on if you want all new or can settle for used amps, and if you install it yourself (amp will require power cabling.

Although I haven't explored the possibility, it *may* be possible to utilize the stock amp wiring and location instead of running new wires for power and speakers.

aznatama 02-04-2015 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonblt2 (Post 2116801)
Yea I'm pretty sure I just plugged these into where the stock speakers were no mods or anything to the headunit. So im certain they are powered by the amp only. Another guy on the forum is running the same speakers with a stock headunit and amp.

It would work, but would likely be woofer frequencies only, tweeters would not be outputting any sound. I'd check to make sure by playing a high pitched test tone to see if you get sound from the doors.

brandonblt2 02-04-2015 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznatama (Post 2118049)
It would work, but would likely be woofer frequencies only, tweeters would not be outputting any sound. I'd check to make sure by playing a high pitched test tone to see if you get sound from the doors.

Nope the tweeters are outputting sound, the higher frequencies are actually slightly over powering the bass. I see where you are coming from but considering I have both installed and did the work myself I can tell you they are plug and play.


aznatama 02-04-2015 02:29 PM

That's weird. If that's the case, makes things easier. I'll have to look into this some more.

You have all stock wiring? Nothing changed from using the aftermarket Hu?

brandonblt2 02-04-2015 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznatama (Post 2118188)
That's weird. If that's the case, makes things easier. I'll have to look into this some more.

You have all stock wiring? Nothing changed from using the aftermarket Hu?

I used the metra connector I mentioned and thats about it. Headunit uses the all the standard wiring in the old one used, it was a plug and play.

Heres my headunit I have nothing special in terms of audio
http://www.eonon.com/Car-DVD-Players...ta/GA5167.html

JohnJuan 02-04-2015 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonblt2 (Post 2118264)
I used the metra connector I mentioned and thats about it. Headunit uses the all the standard wiring in the old one used, it was a plug and play.

Heres my headunit I have nothing special in terms of audio
http://www.eonon.com/Car-DVD-Players...ta/GA5167.html

Do you have any pictures of that installed?

brandonblt2 02-04-2015 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnJuan (Post 2118283)
Do you have any pictures of that installed?

Here is a thread with pics and details
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80493

Jammon 02-07-2015 07:05 AM

6.5 image dynamics speakers and CDP 4 inch - for the dash speakers. Both can be found at woofers. Com. Image dynamic are 2 ohms and the CDT are 4 ohms, a great improvement to the stock system, all for less than 350 dollars.

Jfheisenberg 02-09-2015 06:09 PM

Im thinking on getting my speakers upgraded with kickers speakers... I had kickers on my celica and they sounded amazing! also very durable.

Have you guys had kickers speakers on the brz/frs ? what are your thoughts on it?

pcuerpo 02-19-2015 07:56 PM

just finished installing Focal Access 165AS3 speakers yesterday on my 86.. its a complete drop in replacement of the OEM ones but the 86 came off the dealer with a decent HU already (Kenwood DPX5130BT) so it might be a little different if you have different HUs.. difference is very far from the stock ones and with what was spent, its a very nice upgrade

total amount spent is around $340 including labor, partial door deadening, and wires

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...62c3e67b3540e3


https://scontent-hkg.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...a4&oe=5549ABFE


front speakers

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...f416073b3a76c5


midrange and tweeter

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...acb97e0d551ab2


partial door deadening

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...ed6e0752a5307a


tuning it by my in-law

[ame]http://youtu.be/OIip4uzRjQ0[/ame]

Ishmael 03-13-2015 07:22 PM

pcuerpo. How did you mount the tweeters in the front grill?


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