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01-24-2022, 12:00 AM | #15 |
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Is not an EV. No thanks.
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and all that extra work for maybe 1,000-2,000 sales tops, per year? last thread, no one really had any answers where the battery pack would even go on the car, even theoretically. not like there's a ton of useless space on these cars.
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01-24-2022, 07:28 AM | #17 |
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No because Toyota is too intelligent to build a Cadillac Cimarron...
In reality the only thing Lexus could gain is the size to build off of. Things like NVH, convenience and maintaining the diminutive weight would be extremely challenging. From their mainstream line, the 2010 SC was their last 2 seater, a V8 convertible specifically designed as a luxury vehicle. Just buy an RC, it will be a better car.
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But it has had a very large drop in sales over the years. They went from a reported 18,327 sales in 2013, to 2,476 in 2020 - Nearly a 90% loss of sales volume in 7 years... The 86 has also carried a $1,500 factory rebate for several model years - I don't remember when that started. The BRZ never had such a rebate, but you can find numerous threads and users reporting getting their cars at or below invoice. At least from my perspective, I'm still shocked we got a Gen-II. But since it is here, and for as long as the Gunma Factory doesn't undergo some massive restructuring, I would expect it to continue to be made. But I would also expect it to get the axe at the first sign of trouble - economic or otherwise - unless they find ways to increase the volume and also profitability. I've read that coupes are becoming increasingly popular with younger women and women are a growing market with Lexus, which is why the UX has been popular - they sold 17,581 in 2021, its best year. So the UC would be a stab at a different part of the Lexus buying segment that the RC and LC failed to nab. But I also agree that a UC could be a tough proposition given its underpinnings and overall lack of utility which I think is what "urbanites" want. |
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If this Lexus is real, I don't see it staying in the same segment that the GR86/BRZ are in. There will be a lot of added weight, but also a lot of added power (I assume).
If anything, I think this might be Toyota's attempt at filling in the gap between the GR86 and Supra in hopes of competing with the 400Z. |
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Regarding style, they would’ve to rework the complete car, not only the bumper. That back doesn’t scream urban car to me and even if you think it is Ok, there is not enough differentiation.
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Hmm, if it's a really nice interior, eventually swap it into a BRZ...
Perhaps, but the problem with the Cimmaron wasn't the concept (as a coupe or convertible, might have been hot with the divorcee and beach-retiree sets) but the execution (GM's J-car was just awful).
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