Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger

[ryoma]

how would a smog shop even tell if the tune is the CARB legal tune or an aftermarket tune if you keep the stock header/front pipe?

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by SkiRideDrive

Interesting. I don't have much experience with e85, but aren't the flex fuel lines fairly noticeable in the engine bay?

No, unless you choose to use fruit loop coloured fittings and bling lines. Otherwise it'd be discrete and literally only some twin owners will know.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Irace86

I'm not very educated on e85 or specific CARB laws besides the basics. Is it illegal to have it setup in the car or is it illegal just to use it? Like NOS is illegal but if your bottle is empty can you still get a ticket? I understand the argument from the cop, "how do I know you didnt use the NOS on the street and thats why the bottle is empty", but if the e85 is disconnected like a fuel line or a manual switch in the engine bay then would that be legal? I'm guessing no.

Rules against e85 is dumb, we've had plenty of proven data showing e85 is better for emissions.

[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by Irace86

I'm not very educated on e85 or specific CARB laws besides the basics. Is it illegal to have it setup in the car or is it illegal just to use it? Like NOS is illegal but if your bottle is empty can you still get a ticket? I understand the argument from the cop, "how do I know you didnt use the NOS on the street and thats why the bottle is empty", but if the e85 is disconnected like a fuel line or a manual switch in the engine bay then would that be legal? I'm guessing no.

Using E85 is technically legal IF your car is originally equipped for E85 from the factory. Getting flex fuel for our cars changes the tuning and therefore is considered modified.

Originally Posted by ryoma

how would a smog shop even tell if the tune is the CARB legal tune or an aftermarket tune if you keep the stock header/front pipe?

Newer STAR smog shops use a combo of OBD2 check and a visual inspection. I believe the modified tune will pop-up during the OBD2 check.

Originally Posted by s2d4

Rules against e85 is dumb, we've had plenty of proven data showing e85 is better for emissions.

Oddly enough, I've looked into this myself (for work). Although E85 is proven to be better for certain emissions standards (mostly CO2), it is rated worse for others (NOX). Just so happens CA uses a combination of both, hence the current laws.

[Irace86]

Originally Posted by ryoma

how would a smog shop even tell if the tune is the CARB legal tune or an aftermarket tune if you keep the stock header/front pipe?

I suppose an aftermarket tune might not pass smog if it failed emissions and/or the ecu could be checked that it had a dual map or wasnt closed or something. I dont know I'm just speculating.

Originally Posted by s2d4

Rules against e85 is dumb, we've had plenty of proven data showing e85 is better for emissions.

Better for emissions but worse on gas mileage, right? They dont like things getting worse drastically. Just my guess. So is that a no on e85 being hooked up?

[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by Irace86

So is that a no on e85 being hooked up?

Not necessarily, you can always empty the tank and fill up with regular 91oct then flash back to CARB tune and be all set for inspection.

[Irace86]

Originally Posted by BigFatFlip

Using E85 is technically legal IF your car is originally equipped for E85 from the factory. Getting flex fuel for our cars changes the tuning and therefore is considered modified.



Newer STAR smog shops use a combo of OBD2 check and a visual inspection. I believe the modified tune will pop-up during the OBD2 check.



Oddly enough, I've looked into this myself (for work). Although E85 is proven to be better for certain emissions standards (mostly CO2), it is rated worse for others (NOX). Just so happens CA uses a combination of both, hence the current laws.

Thanks for the info.

[clayrush]

My 370z passed star smog with a tune last year.

[The Racers Line]

Originally Posted by BigFatFlip

Newer STAR smog shops use a combo of OBD2 check and a visual inspection. I believe the modified tune will pop-up during the OBD2 check.

Actually, they have no way of seeing if the car's ECU has been remapped or modified. The OBD2 check is just for readiness monitors.

[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by clayrush

My 370z passed star smog with a tune last year.

Originally Posted by The Racers Line

Actually, they have no way of seeing if the car's ECU has been remapped or modified. The OBD2 check is just for readiness monitors.

Ah, good to know. I was coming from a Cobb tuned wrx, but that was several years ago.

[Lunatic]

Nothing to do with GT 86's, but here's my last "Edelbrock" engine. I built this and put it in a 49 Chev.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by SkiRideDrive

Interesting. I don't have much experience with e85, but aren't the flex fuel lines fairly noticeable in the engine bay?

It's very easy to install discretely (We like the DT with race lines). The sensors used in the FF kits are all standard sensors used in many production Flex Fuel vehicles, so it doesn't exactly look out of place.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Irace86

I'm not very educated on e85 or specific CARB laws besides the basics. Is it illegal to have it setup in the car or is it illegal just to use it? Like NOS is illegal but if your bottle is empty can you still get a ticket? I understand the argument from the cop, "how do I know you didnt use the NOS on the street and thats why the bottle is empty", but if the e85 is disconnected like a fuel line or a manual switch in the engine bay then would that be legal? I'm guessing no.

I believe a technical interpretation of it is that it is illegal to have it installed on a vehicle that is on public roads, whether it is being used or not.

I'm not an attorney, and this is not legal advice.

[CSG Mike]

Facebook discussion group here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1072440386107226/

Page has been parked for a while, but with the kits shipping shortly, time to get the discussion going