Official OpenFlash Tablet FA20 Tuning Tech Discussion Thread

[s2d4]

Yes, then it wouldn't be ots setup for oft300 so he would be going to you for all future issues with the tune/kit.

[gonzo]

I'm loading the file into RomRaider to add launch control and flatfloot, but RomRaider is saying checksum failed invalid file and suggesting I not use the file. Ignore this?

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I'm loading the file into RomRaider to add launch control and flatfloot, but RomRaider is saying checksum failed invalid file and suggesting I not use the file. Ignore this?

It is okay to ignore. The checksum correction is automatically applied later.

[jdcorbitt3]

Shiv

Have you considered integrating a zeitronic sensor into OFT so we don't have to run just gas or e85? We then could run any combination.

John

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Yes, then it wouldn't be ots setup for oft300 so he would be going to you for all future issues with the tune/kit.

you're talking about changing map sensor scaling. it's literally the easiest thing you can do to a rom, completely foolproof given the correct numbers.

if the tune was unlocked this wouldn't be an issue. isn't that where the 'O' in 'OF-Whatever' comes from? the vortech tune isn't unlocked and editable?

[Captain Insano]

Not yet. But none of his OTS tunes are unlocked to start with. Later after a period of beta he opens them up. Wouldn't be surprised if he does something similar with his Vortech kit/stage OTS tunes.

Originally Posted by jamesm

if the tune was unlocked this wouldn't be an issue. isn't that where the 'O' in 'OF-Whatever' comes from? the vortech tune isn't unlocked and editable?

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by Captain Insano

Not yet. But none of his OTS tunes are unlocked to start with. Later after a period of beta he opens them up. Wouldn't be surprised if he does something similar with his Vortech kit/stage OTS tunes.

I don't even think the OF300s are for sale yet so that is a moot point. I am willing to bet that Shiv would tune or send out .bin files on an individual basis if necessary.

[Cross]

The Vortech tune has not been released because no one has the kit. I am talking to them about buying the first one but I have been assured the tune is not locked because I intend to put it on E85 right away.

So all this talk and "claims" of it being locked and not open are really unfounded. How can there be a debate about a product that no one but Shiv has purchased at this point?

Nelsmar sold a member with an OFT his old Vortech kit that he had rebuilt by Vortech and told him to ask Shiv for the map for the OFT300 kit that hasn't even sold to anyone.
That old Nelsmar Spin again, "it's not open it's locked!" Yet it's not even out yet....


Sent from Spaceball 1

[Captain Insano]

I thought I recall Shiv saying it will be locked at first like his OTS tunes are, but I would think there is a pretty high probability after that it is unlocked so consumers can tweak.

People complaining about Shiv's product not being "open" is complete BS. All of his tunes thus far have been released so all can see his tuning parameters and change those parameters if they wish to do so. I honestly am not even interested in doing that if the OFT tunes are good enough to not need tweaks from me. I don't have time to be messing around with tuning if I don't have to. So the OTS maps out of the box are a great deal for me.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by Cross

The Vortech tune has not been released because no one has the kit. I am talking to them about buying the first one but I have been assured the tune is not locked because I intend to put it on E85 right away.

So all this talk and "claims" of it being locked and not open are really unfounded. How can there be a debate about a product that no one but Shiv has purchased at this point?

Nelsmar sold a member with an OFT his old Vortech kit that he had rebuilt by Vortech and told him to ask Shiv for the map for the OFT300 kit that hasn't even sold to anyone.
That old Nelsmar Spin again, "it's not open it's locked!" Yet it's not even out yet....


Sent from Spaceball 1

Not sure what you mean by nelsmar spin... That user received a beta ROM. Shiv has been locking his beta rom's during testing, this is nothing new, nor is there a problem with it. There was absolutely nothing about me saying the tune was going to be locked. The only discussion was that he had received a beta locked rom and cannot adjust the MAP calibration. You really need to chill out... I was never under the impression it would be locked, and nor was the user in question. He has simply mentioned it in here as we had a hard time getting ahold of shiv at the time to find out what MAP sensor he was using in his kit.

Shiv has little to gain by keeping his rom locked from my point of view. Him keeping the file open is incentive for people to purchase his hardware. He never mentioned it only being a locked file and is against what he preaches.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by jdcorbitt3

Shiv

Have you considered integrating a zeitronic sensor into OFT so we don't have to run just gas or e85? We then could run any combination.

John

Shiv has mentioned multiple times that there are no current plans to setup flex fuel with a zeitronix sensor at this time. Just a heads up! It has been asked quite a bit in this thread, although it is a tad hard to search and I don't know if it is in his FAQ (I haven't checked).

[Cross]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

Not sure what you mean by nelsmar spin... That user received a beta ROM. Shiv has been locking his beta rom's during testing, this is nothing new, nor is there a problem with it. There was absolutely nothing about me saying the tune was going to be locked. The only discussion was that he had received a beta locked rom and cannot adjust the MAP calibration. You really need to chill out... I was never under the impression it would be locked, and nor was the user in question. He has simply mentioned it in here as we had a hard time getting ahold of shiv at the time to find out what MAP sensor he was using in his kit.

Shiv has little to gain by keeping his rom locked from my point of view. Him keeping the file open is incentive for people to purchase his hardware. He never mentioned it only being a locked file and is against what he preaches.

You never mentioned it being locked yet you did?

Originally Posted by nelsmar

I would easily fix the tune for him if it wasn't locked. :P

Then it went from there into this whole issue of not being open. Yet here is the point you overlooked, not only is it a BETA, No One has an OFT300 from Vishnu at all. No One.
So frankly the fact it was released to someone who did not buy the specific OFT300 kit and is working with what may not be what comes in the kit for the OFT300 is really gracious of a tuner and a company. Yet you make it out to be this point of contention because he didn't open it up to you completely when he is not even done with it.....

So I don't see what I need to chill out on, but I do see where this claim/spin that its locked and not helping which is counter productive needs to end when the reality is that the kits are not even in anyone's hands yet and he is supporting someone with a pieced together kit that may or may-not match his.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by Cross

You never mentioned it being locked yet you did?


Then it went from there into this whole issue of not being open. Yet here is the point you overlooked, not only is it a BETA, No One has an OFT300 from Vishnu at all. No One.
So frankly the fact it was released to someone who did not buy the specific OFT300 kit and is working with what may not be what comes in the kit for the OFT300 is really gracious of a tuner and a company. Yet you make it out to be this point of contention because he didn't open it up to you completely when he is not even done with it.....

So I don't see what I need to chill out on, but I do see where this claim/spin that its locked and not helping which is counter productive needs to end when the reality is that the kits are not even in anyone's hands yet and he is supporting someone with a pieced together kit that may or may-not match his.

So what your saying is this is another spin of yours? I talked to shiv on the phone about this. I talked to the owner about this. I posted back about his issue. Yes the file he received is locked. I posted a fact. I did not say that the shelf tune was going to be locked... We were discussing an entirely different topic all together. This topic was a MAP sensor. I posted a number of calibrations I use for map sensors in this thread during this discussion and even talked to Shiv on the phone to attempt to figure out which MAP sensor was coming with the kit. I am trying to help out here and your just trying to make me look like I'm "spinning the truth". I would very much appreciate if you could stop attempting to attack me for attempting to contribute to a thread with on topic information.

If there was any issue with what I was posting on this topic I know for a fact @shiv@vishnu would have stepped in and corrected me, or hell if I was just spinning things around and vendor bashing I would have been banned already for breaking forum rules in a vendor thread. Good hell man.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Please stop guys

OFT300 OTS map will be released in .dev file to our OFT300 customers. OFT300 kits start shipping in a week or so. They will not be public release just yet. Partly because they are new. And partly because we really don't want people messing with them at this point. They perform well and are very thoroughly tested so I don't see the purpose in tinkering with it. It tinkering is required, I'd rather a customer start off from scratch as assume the responsibility of tuning. Providing OTS maps for boosted cars is a pretty big risk exposure. So we limit risk by requiring certainly hardware and ensuring that the maps can't be modified.