Fake RAYS Wheels Made in SoCal (Los Angeles) - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

dizzario · 09-17-2014, 07:03 PM

So I saw a Scion xB at the gas station the other weekend. The girl who was driving it had some 'TE37's on it. I know those cars are 5x100 because a buddy of mine has one.

I've always liked the TE and before I bought my set I knew the sizes available in 5x100 are shitty at best. Hers looked to be 15" or 16" and didn't look like the typical sizes available. I asked her about them and this is what I found out:

There is a shop in the LA area that has a cast of the TE37...and I mean an EXACT cast that has all the raised lettering between spokes. Her wheels were basically a copy but were made in a bolt pattern that fit her xB. That means that these wheels are the sizes we all want from Rays (in 5x100) but aren't offered from Japan. It would be like someone taking one of my TE37RTs, using it to make a cast, and then drilling out the wheels to be whatever bolt pattern the customer wants.

I've seen some shit on other forums where the bolt pattern on the wheel doesn't match what the seller says it is...like Rays, Work, and SSR are always fucking up the bolt pattern that's on the inner hub of the wheel

EDIT:

Talked to Mackin Industries...on certain Volk models they WILL put the opposite bolt pattern. Because Japan.

Regardless, weigh your wheels if it's possible. Your 17" TE's should weigh as much as 18" XD9s, you know?

Good luck.

tahdizzle · 09-17-2014, 07:07 PM

No... you mean you can buy knock off stuff in southern california?!

dizzario · 09-17-2014, 07:30 PM

Dude I know what you mean but there's a difference between Rota Grids with Volk stickers and the things I saw on that xB.

It's like the copies went Super Saiyan.

tahdizzle · 09-17-2014, 07:46 PM

Hey, be ghetto fabulous. Not everyone can afford Nikes either :P

dizzario · 09-17-2014, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Hey, be ghetto fabulous. Not everyone can afford Nikes either :P

Real recognize real, nah mean.

Kill me now.

CSG Mike · 09-18-2014, 12:02 AM

Sometimes the bolt pattern doesn't match, because they use an existing face to make a custom wheel. Here's an example of a 17x10 +44 5x114 CE28N that says 5x100. The face is from an older 17x7 5x100 STI fitment wheel, but the barrel redesigned and offset changed to accommodate a S2000 with a BBK.

Notice the flat face, versus the usual 17x10 +45 which has a concave face.

17x10 +44 You can see where it says 5x100, when the car is clearly not 5x100

17x10 +45

Pekingduck · 09-18-2014, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Sometimes the bolt pattern doesn't match, because they use an existing face to make a custom wheel. Here's an example of a 17x10 +44 5x114 CE28N that says 5x100. The face is from an older 17x7 5x100 STI fitment wheel, but the barrel redesigned and offset changed to accommodate a S2000 with a BBK.

Notice the flat face, versus the usual 17x10 +45 which has a concave face.

17x10 +44 You can see where it says 5x100, when the car is clearly not 5x100

17x10 +45

Plus those wheels 17x10 would be an odd size to copy

Dave-ROR · 09-18-2014, 12:27 AM

Csg is all fake

mav1178 · 09-18-2014, 01:33 AM

Any wheel can be made in any bolt pattern as long as the MOQ is met. There isn't any requirement to change the casting, and often times the cast will say 5x100 (when it's a 5x114.3) or vice versa.

All the bolt pattern casting is good for, is to say what bolt pattern supports what vehicle weight. This is a Japanese VIA requirement.

-alex

dizzario · 09-19-2014, 08:43 PM

Regarding the bolt pattern thing: Understood. I thought the CEs were (for some reason) the only model that had that done. I've had numerous sets of Work wheels, Gram Lights, and so on but I've never seen this.

The point of this post is to (hopefully) have over-zealous buyers see this and be sure to check and weigh their new prospect wheels to confirm that they are what the seller says they are.

I'm not new to this car thing and I'm definitely not green when it comes to scammers and fake wheels. The reason I posted this is because the overall quality of these replicas was fucking nuts...not some Varrstoens or Rota Grids with TE decals.

@Dave-ROR ...thanks for the heads up. I'm gonna send a shitty Yelp review their way

hah.

FirestormFRS · 09-19-2014, 08:51 PM

Please learn to quote without reposting the pictures!!!!

dizzario · 09-19-2014, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FirestormFRS

Please learn to quote without reposting the pictures!!!!

...I thought I was the only one who hated this.

09-17-2014, 07:03 PM	#1
dizzario Banned Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: FRS Location: San Diego Posts: 568 Thanks: 121 Thanked 181 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Fake RAYS Wheels Made in SoCal (Los Angeles) So I saw a Scion xB at the gas station the other weekend. The girl who was driving it had some 'TE37's on it. I know those cars are 5x100 because a buddy of mine has one. I've always liked the TE and before I bought my set I knew the sizes available in 5x100 are shitty at best. Hers looked to be 15" or 16" and didn't look like the typical sizes available. I asked her about them and this is what I found out: There is a shop in the LA area that has a cast of the TE37...and I mean an EXACT cast that has all the raised lettering between spokes. Her wheels were basically a copy but were made in a bolt pattern that fit her xB. That means that these wheels are the sizes we all want from Rays (in 5x100) but aren't offered from Japan. It would be like someone taking one of my TE37RTs, using it to make a cast, and then drilling out the wheels to be whatever bolt pattern the customer wants. I've seen some shit on other forums where the bolt pattern on the wheel doesn't match what the seller says it is...like Rays, Work, and SSR are always fucking up the bolt pattern that's on the inner hub of the wheel EDIT: Talked to Mackin Industries...on certain Volk models they WILL put the opposite bolt pattern. Because Japan. Regardless, weigh your wheels if it's possible. Your 17" TE's should weigh as much as 18" XD9s, you know? Good luck. Last edited by dizzario; 09-17-2014 at 07:35 PM.

09-18-2014, 12:27 AM	#8
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	Csg is all fake __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

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dizzario Banned Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: FRS Location: San Diego Posts: 568 Thanks: 121 Thanked 181 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dude I know what you mean but there's a difference between Rota Grids with Volk stickers and the things I saw on that xB. It's like the copies went Super Saiyan.

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,564 Thanks: 8,942 Thanked 14,213 Times in 6,856 Posts Mentioned: 970 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	Sometimes the bolt pattern doesn't match, because they use an existing face to make a custom wheel. Here's an example of a 17x10 +44 5x114 CE28N that says 5x100. The face is from an older 17x7 5x100 STI fitment wheel, but the barrel redesigned and offset changed to accommodate a S2000 with a BBK. Notice the flat face, versus the usual 17x10 +45 which has a concave face. 17x10 +44 You can see where it says 5x100, when the car is clearly not 5x100 17x10 +45

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mav1178 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2005 Toyota Camry Location: 91745 Posts: 6,562 Thanks: 493 Thanked 6,099 Times in 3,030 Posts Mentioned: 95 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Any wheel can be made in any bolt pattern as long as the MOQ is met. There isn't any requirement to change the casting, and often times the cast will say 5x100 (when it's a 5x114.3) or vice versa. All the bolt pattern casting is good for, is to say what bolt pattern supports what vehicle weight. This is a Japanese VIA requirement. -alex

09-19-2014, 08:43 PM	#10
dizzario Banned Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: FRS Location: San Diego Posts: 568 Thanks: 121 Thanked 181 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Regarding the bolt pattern thing: Understood. I thought the CEs were (for some reason) the only model that had that done. I've had numerous sets of Work wheels, Gram Lights, and so on but I've never seen this. The point of this post is to (hopefully) have over-zealous buyers see this and be sure to check and weigh their new prospect wheels to confirm that they are what the seller says they are. I'm not new to this car thing and I'm definitely not green when it comes to scammers and fake wheels. The reason I posted this is because the overall quality of these replicas was fucking nuts...not some Varrstoens or Rota Grids with TE decals. @Dave-ROR ...thanks for the heads up. I'm gonna send a shitty Yelp review their way hah.

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FirestormFRS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Anytown Posts: 920 Thanks: 73 Thanked 643 Times in 302 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Please learn to quote without reposting the pictures!!!!

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