2014 Ford Fiesta ST vs 2014 Subaru BRZ - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

JPxM0Dz · 01-29-2014, 04:09 PM

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GpGaJqQi2k"]2014 Ford Fiesta ST vs 2014 Subaru BRZ - YouTube[/ame]

bedabi · 01-29-2014, 04:31 PM

I love Autoguide reviews because they're done at Toronto Motorsports Park. I try to go there a couple times a year.

DarkSunrise · 01-29-2014, 04:50 PM

Haha the Fiesta ST really does look like an "angry jelly bean" in that color. But this review further shows it's a fun car to drive with lots of character. I'd love to test one at the track someday.

Man the BRZ/FR-S really has been compared against everything in these head-to-head reviews, from the classic E30 M3 to the plush ultra-modern mk7 GTI. From cars as cheap as the $20k Fiesta ST to cars as expensive as a $70k Porsche Cayman S.

Everyone seems to love talking about the Twins or sharing their opinions on them. They seem to elicit a lot of commentary/thoughts from enthusiasts and journalists alike.

Frost · 01-29-2014, 08:01 PM

I honestly thought the Fiesta ST would win given it was wet, FWD and better tires.

Quite happily surprised.

asia_minor · 01-29-2014, 08:29 PM

uh... so which one won?

Captain Insano · 01-29-2014, 09:09 PM

BRZ by .3 seconds. Surprising considering the track was a little wet.

Wonder how big the back seats are in a Fiesta ST. Might be a nice DD beater car in a couple years pick up one used.

thill · 01-29-2014, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asia_minor

uh... so which one won?

BRZ. And I agree with the above, the weather conditions most likely favored the Fiesta with the wet track. They were sliding that BRZ all over the place

Looked like a blast driving both cars.

Suberman · 01-29-2014, 09:24 PM

Autocar in the UK got their Fiesta ST 2 around a longer track faster than the Toyota GT86 by 0.5 seconds in a 1:53 lap.

These two cars are very close.

The GT86 is reputed to be more softly spring than the BRZ especially in the front.

Suberman · 01-29-2014, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thill

BRZ. And I agree with the above, the weather conditions most likely favored the Fiesta with the wet track. They were sliding that BRZ all over the place

Looked like a blast driving both cars.

We didn't see the fast laps. I doubt the drivers were sliding either car on their hot laps.

thill · 01-29-2014, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suberman

We didn't see the fast laps. I doubt the drivers were sliding either car on their hot laps.

Well the blond guy (Column Wood) mentioned in the end that he thought the Fiesta would be faster because of the track conditions and seemed surprised the BRZ still won.

But hey, who cares, we are splitting hairs here. Looked like a blast, sign me up for either car around a track for some fun laps.

As for as aesthetics go for me, neither the Focus ST nor the Fiesta ST do anything for me. I realize the BRZ/FR-S is a more expensive car than the Fiesta ST, but they look so much nicer and sporty.

Boxer486 · 01-29-2014, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suberman

Autocar in the UK got their Fiesta ST 2 around a longer track faster than the Toyota GT86 by 0.5 seconds in a 1:53 lap.

These two cars are very close.

The GT86 is reputed to be more softly spring than the BRZ especially in the front.

What does that tell you? The only advantage the Fiesta has is torque. Any close analysis clearly indicates the 86 is the better handling car and I would be shocked if anyone said otherwise because that would be insane.

For a tuner it comes down to what do you prefer to mod, power or chassis. As someone who can turn a wrench and do my own math, I prefer to buy my cars based on chassis ability, the rest is easy enough to fix. Though each will still speak to those who prefer to not touch the car at all but for different reasons.

What is interesting at the end looking at the numbers, even though the ST has a slightly better 60-0 braking (114ft versus 116/117ft) the BRZ kills it in braking on the track even w/ Prius tires. Sector 3 also shows the difference in chassis balance between the two. Nice to actually have a review display sector times.

Kelbyat07 · 01-30-2014, 12:28 AM

I wished they would of given their opinion on which car they liked driving in better. But I am glad the Brz won the race though.

Demandred7 · 02-04-2014, 01:39 PM

Thanks for posting. Good to see that driver and track conditions make a difference. I swear EVO has a thing against the GT86. Angry jelly bean....lol.

JPxM0Dz · 02-05-2014, 03:13 PM

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_v8BuB5RsI"]Project Car Fiesta ST Gets Cobb Stage 1! Before/After Dyno - YouTube[/ame]

01-29-2014, 04:50 PM	#3
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,792 Thanks: 2,157 Thanked 4,238 Times in 2,218 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Haha the Fiesta ST really does look like an "angry jelly bean" in that color. But this review further shows it's a fun car to drive with lots of character. I'd love to test one at the track someday. Man the BRZ/FR-S really has been compared against everything in these head-to-head reviews, from the classic E30 M3 to the plush ultra-modern mk7 GTI. From cars as cheap as the $20k Fiesta ST to cars as expensive as a $70k Porsche Cayman S. Everyone seems to love talking about the Twins or sharing their opinions on them. They seem to elicit a lot of commentary/thoughts from enthusiasts and journalists alike. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

01-30-2014, 12:28 AM	#12
Kelbyat07 Poor College Kid Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: ~.~ Location: Chicago Posts: 2,801 Thanks: 246 Thanked 2,182 Times in 1,249 Posts Mentioned: 32 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I wished they would of given their opinion on which car they liked driving in better. But I am glad the Brz won the race though. __________________

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asia_minor Superleggera Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: 2016 Mazda MX-5 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 191 Thanks: 72 Thanked 68 Times in 48 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	uh... so which one won?

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Captain Insano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2014 Jeep Wrangler RubiconX Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 1,282 Thanks: 110 Thanked 292 Times in 224 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	BRZ by .3 seconds. Surprising considering the track was a little wet. Wonder how big the back seats are in a Fiesta ST. Might be a nice DD beater car in a couple years pick up one used.

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