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Old 12-20-2013, 12:12 PM   #1
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Scion FR-S Turbo Hybrid Sedan Comes Into Focus

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Motortrend dropped and article I thought was interesting.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...es_into_focus/

"Yes folks, a turbo. But not just any turbo. Toyota will insist on a 2.0-liter turbo-boxer being bolted to a revised version of its tried and proven hybrid system, pumping out around 300 hp. In addition to a hybrid turbo powerplant, Toyota’s R&D department is currently testing in-wheel motors. Fitted at the front, they would make the four-door an all-wheel-drive sedan."

Yum. I started this in the FRS thread but I know some of you might not visit it. I thought it was and interesting read.

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The mid-2012 launch of the Scion FR-S / Toyota GT86 and Subaru BRZ sent shockwaves around the motoring world. The twins, especially the Toyota, put reasonably priced rear-drive Japanese sports cars back on the map. GT86 suppliers have struggled to meet demand. Above, a rendering shows what a GT86 sedan could look like. So it’s no surprise the family will grow. Recent concepts have indicated at least a convertible and a possible shooting brake. But the big surprise will be under the hood.

First , Toyota unveiled the expected at the Geneva Motor Show: A convertible. Then Subaru showed a wagon BRZ concept in Tokyo. Now, the next piece of the puzzle is slowly coming into focus: a GT86-based four-door sedan. A source close to Toyota has divulged that Subaru’s Cross Sport provides telling hints of what the Toyota four-door will look like. “It’d be easy to bring the B-pillar forward, add a rear door and slant the rear roof section to create a viable sedan look,” said our source.

Bearing a development code of 734A, we’re told the GT86 sedan measures 187 inches long, 70 inches wide, 55.1 inches high. It rides on a 108.2-inch wheelbase. Making the car about the same size as Subaru’s current Legacy, the four-door will be 20.1 inches longer and 4 inches taller than the 86 overall, and its wheelbase 7.3 inches longer. Given the 86 sedan’s extra size and weight, the stock coupe’s 200-hp 2.0-liter boxer engine would need beefing up. A source tells us that in place of the naturally aspirated 2.0-liter four-cylinder would be a combination that was initially said to be impossible for the 86. Yes folks, a turbo. But not just any turbo. Toyota will insist on a 2.0-liter turbo-boxer being bolted to a revised version of its tried and proven hybrid system, pumping out around 300 hp. In addition to a hybrid turbo powerplant, Toyota’s R&D department is currently testing in-wheel motors. Fitted at the front, they would make the four-door an all-wheel-drive sedan.

However, rather than a full-time AWD set-up, the idea would be to employ this in-wheel motor system at the front-end to act like Honda’s SH-AWD system. In other words, the system would only engage when rear-end traction is broken to quickly restore stability. Of course, cost remains an important point for the R&D team. What will the market pay for expensive in-wheel motors and a hybrid-turbo powertrain-- more than $30,000 for the standard 2.0-liter turbo and upwards of $40,000 for the hybrid turbo AWD? Our source suggests Toyota will test the waters first, by introducing a 2.0-liter turbo sedan by late 2016. Depending on its success, it could follow this up with an AWD hybrid powertrain – in either the same car or a Lexus model.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:15 PM   #2
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I love the BRZ because of its simplicity. This frs sedan seems awfully complicated
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:38 PM   #6
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so it's basically a Toyota WRX? am I reading this right? and if it's the same size as the Legacy...that's pretty big that's a mid sized sedan right? I was hoping for something comparible to the coupe... like an Integra Sedan something along that size.
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I love the BRZ because of its simplicity. This frs sedan seems awfully complicated
Agreed. Not sure I'd want to deal with a hybrid turbo.
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AWD, hybrid, turbo, sedan? 20" longer, 4" taller, 7" longer wheelbase? Probably 3000+ lbs?

I don't know how they could, in good conscience, call this an FR-S/86 sedan.
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so it's basically a Toyota WRX? am I reading this right? and if it's the same size as the Legacy...that's pretty big that's a mid sized sedan right? I was hoping for something comparible to the coupe... like an Integra Sedan something along that size.
Yeah - I am not seeing why Subaru would build competition for the WRX.

Other than admitting that they seriously screwed up on the WRX styling
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When pigs fly.

That drivetrain sounds like it belongs in the BMW/Toyota joint venture rather than an economical 86 sedan which would have to slot in well under $35k to have a chance in the N.A. market.
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it will be like the next toyota chaser lol
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i could care less about a sedan, but can see why they are doing it. Toyota has nothing in the 'fun sedan' model line up which is why I'm looking at the FR-S Monogram or elsewhere.

The hybrid AWD is interesting, I became a big believer of AWD sports cars when I used to have an Audi TT >10 years ago, and always wonder why more don't do that (outside cost)
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