brake override DOES NOT diminish heel & toe

[4agze]

for people who dont like the brake override system cuz they may diminish heel and toe can watch this, watch the golf GTI with a brake override at the last test.

[Dark]

No, it doesn't. It only applies when you gas first and brake after, or both feet on pedals down to the floor. FT-86 may also get this feature.

[NESW20]

manual transmission cars shouldn't even really have the feature to begin with. anyone who drives a manual should be able to figure out how to push in the clutch if something like a stuck throttle were to occur...

-Mike

[4agze]

Originally Posted by NESW20

manual transmission cars shouldn't even really have the feature to begin with. anyone who drives a manual should be able to figure out how to push in the clutch if something like a stuck throttle were to occur...

-Mike

i totally agree with you on this, I think that manual drivers are smarter if throttle get stuck move it to neutral thats all, then glide to the shoulder then turn off engine.

[ichitaka05]

Interesting. Well either way, works for me. H&T shouldn't take more than sec to do and I highly doubt FR car gonna do left foot braking often. LFB is done mostly on FF & AWD anyways (correct me if I'm wrong).

[NESW20]

LFB can really be used effectively on any car, although less so on a car with a clutch pedal that is used during shifting. in corners where shifting is not required, LFB can be used to have a super-smooth and fast transition from throttle-->brake-->throttle. or as a slight mid-corner weight adjustment without closing the throttle at all.

also, for those of you who watch a lot of Best Motoring, you'll notice they tap the brakes coming out of corners onto straightaways to re-seat the pads against the rotors. this is due to hub flex, which can cause slightly mushy/ineffective initial braking into the following corner. it's still less than a second, but it's another consideration that must be made.

-Mike

[4agze]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Interesting. Well either way, works for me. H&T shouldn't take more than sec to do and I highly doubt FR car gonna do left foot braking often. LFB is done mostly on FF & AWD anyways (correct me if I'm wrong).

on the last few sec of the video he did a LFB or trail braking also didn't affect the brake override.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 4agze

on the last few sec of the video he did a LFB or trail braking also didn't affect the brake override.

Yes, I saw that. He did it on GTI which is FF. While FT86c is FR layout and FR layout car doesn't really need to do LFB as much as FF or AWD cars.

Like I said, have it or not either way works for me. :happy0180:

[ONE]

This is great news for me

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yes, I saw that. He did it on GTI which is FF. While FT86c is FR layout and FR layout car doesn't really need to do LFB as much as FF or AWD cars.

Like I said, have it or not either way works for me. :happy0180:

depends on your driving technique and how fast you want to be. Layout has little to do with how much you have to use it, rather, how fast you want to be.

Or are you on about drifting?

[4agze]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yes, I saw that. He did it on GTI which is FF. While FT86c is FR layout and FR layout car doesn't really need to do LFB as much as FF or AWD cars.

Like I said, have it or not either way works for me. :happy0180:

Its good news to me also, love heel so I dont care if this will be in manual or auto
I know I clutch kick alot when drifting but I use LFB when drifting some times when needed. watch ueo's video he used a LFB on his foot work.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

depends on your driving technique and how fast you want to be. Layout has little to do with how much you have to use it, rather, how fast you want to be.

Or are you on about drifting?

No, it has a lot to do with the layout. For an example:
In Hot Version's Touge Battle when ever they have the race Orido, Iida, Taniguchi, and even Tsuchiya (very rarely for him) use LFB in high speed cornering w AWD (GT-R, Evo, STI and etc) while they use right foot on FR (S2k, Rx7, Silvia, 86 & etc)? I have never seen them use LFB on FR car on touge battle or even some of the Tsukuba race. Same with FF cars, you only see Tsuchiya use LFB on FF cars when he's pushing that FF car to the limit. Here's Orido driving FF, FR, AWD in Tsukuba Super Time Attack and you can see him using LFB on FF:

As for drifting, yes I have seen tons of driver use it... but most of the time they drive high power FR cars (like Orido's D1 Supra +650hp). I have seen very few driver that use LFB on low power FR cars (like Ueo 190hp-ish iirc for his 86 in Ikaten). If they need to use it in low power FR car while drifting that means 1) they're missing few... no correction, almost all the screws in their head or 2) they're brave SOB that can push their car to the limit (most of the time, I have seen is #2). Correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by 4agze

Its good news to me also, love heel so I dont care if this will be in manual or auto
I know I clutch kick alot when drifting but I use LFB when drifting some times when needed. watch ueo's video he used a LFB on his foot work.

LOL you beat me to it. Yeah, IIRC that's when his was still in Ikaten right? He was the true 86 mania that went from ground up and became D1 Champ ('02)

[Matador]

^ You are talking to someone who has been driving for more than 10 years, racing for at least half of those and knows wtf he is talking about. Yes, having an FF car or awd car would NECESITATE it more than an FR car, but that does not mean that you would use it less in that situation. C'mon, I can't believe you are going on and on about the touge... ask Micheal Schumacher or Ayrton Senna (if he was still alive) about left foot braking. Last I checked F1 cars are not awd or FF.

Left foot braking is used simple to transfer the weight to the front of the car so it will "tuck in better". You don't "need" to do that in a rwd car, but when you need to reduce corner entry speed and slide the rear end--you know, which you would normally do by applying throttle (hint: faster corner exit speed), there is simply no other more sensible way. You can also use it to prevent a spin.

Kart racers and most open wheel racers use this technique and I think you'd find that drivers who race in series with sequential boxes (most series above the grass roots level) use this technique as well.

A lot of FR drivers in manual cars would heel and toe, but that is a different story altogether.

[zbirdman777]

I really hope it doesn't interfere with heel toe and this is true.