fi and openflash tune

[Hachi6]

First dealer or fi maker who tunes with the openflash tab gets my money.

Supercharge or turbo.

I just want a kit i can install/flash in my garage then drive off.

PLEASE!!!

[z3ro]

I dont even know what to say

[vgi]

Originally Posted by Hachi6

First dealer or fi maker who tunes with the openflash tab gets my money.

Supercharge or turbo.

I just want a kit i can install/flash in my garage then drive off.

PLEASE!!!

this will take a while unless @vishnu does it as logging is not there yet.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Hachi6

I just want a kit i can install/flash in my garage then drive off.

So you want every single kit that is currently on the market then? The only difference between every kit that uses EcuTek and OpenFlash is a lower cost and flashing with a small tablet versus a laptop, but you still need a computer to load the tune into the tablet. I would guess that other tuners will start making tunes for the forced induction kits that can be flashed with OpenFlash, but that won't come till datalogging occurs. I don't see any of the kit manufacturers making the swap from EcuTek to OpenFlash.

[CajunFRS]

Do kit manufacturers have to pay Ecutek for the basemaps? If OFT improves a few things and doesn't pass any fees to who ever is making the kit. Everyone wants too find ways to save costs. Not just customers.

Ecutek is still on top right now.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by CajunFRS

Do kit manufacturers have to pay Ecutek for the basemaps?

They have to pay a fee to become a tuner of EcuTek that gives them the software to make and edit ROMs along with adding the RaceRom features. That initial cost is farily low when you consider how many forced induction kits they sell. They could make basemaps with one of the ROM editing softwares and then ship the kits loaded with the OpenFlash tablet and save a few dollars on the cost of the kit versus shipping it with an EcuTek license and cable.

[CajunFRS]

If they had a Ecutek Tuner in La I would be a little more inclined to spend the money on the cable and what not. Will be nice when other options become solid for FI so I can really start planning a build.

[AVOturboworld]

Our kit, and most of the other kits, you can install and flash in your own garage. Ecutek and OFT don't differ in the ability to provide a flashing solution, they differ in the delivery of the rom to the ecu of your vehicle. With ecutek, it is your own laptop + ecutek cable. With OFT, it's the OFT tablet.

The main reason that provided basemaps for FI kits are in ecutek only right now is due to a number of factors. The fact EcuTek has been around for over a year on the platform, which means all of the turbo and s/c kit developers had to use it to develop their kits. It also is the most developed of the flash programs available, and does provide a feature set that isn't available on the other programs yet.

Nobody can design their turbo or s/c kits to run with OFT, it's the other way around - OFT needs to have the features to work with the FI kits. In the case of our company and our kit, for instance, we are just selling hardware. While we are an EcuTek master tuner, it's simply to support our hardware. If and when it becomes necessary - or viable - we'll become OFT/BRZedit/Opensource master tuners as well, for the same reason.

[jamesm]

there will be plenty available in due time. open tuning of this platform is in it's infancy. ecutek/remote tune will always be the best option for hands-off 'set it and forget it' types. openflash will have remote tuning (inexpensive at that) from vishnu once logging is available. all good things come to those who wait

i'll just add that anyone who is considering such an extreme engine modification as converting to some form of forced induction would do well to understand how the thing works. 'set it and forget it' or 'let someone else handle it' isn't always the best option, in my experience. it took me less than an hour to un-fubar what my 'highly recommended pro tuner' couldn't figure out in 3 months of fiddling. it's not that he's an idiot or i'm so awesome, just that he has an hour a week with my car if that, and doesn't drive it every day. problems seem to get solved quicker when the guy feeling the pain is the one doing the fixing, and when you have the car parked outside every day available to be worked on in little chunks.

if you 'just want to flash it and drive', FI might not be for you, unless you can find a shop that will do it end-to-end and has a competent tuner (that's the hard part).

[Xero-Limit]

We don't support it and have no plans to. I doubt most tuning shops will either. Time is money and whatever one will save on the hardware will be long gone when you factor in the tuning time. Yesterday we spent a few hours sending out about 20 tunes for revisions during the weekly cleanup. You just can't do that unless the software and interface is intuitive and efficient.

[Shiv@Openflash]

We will have support for the Vortech SC very soon. And after that, other FI options will naturally follow. Maps will be posted on the website, free of charge and fully viewable/editable, when they are fully tested.

[Hachi6]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

We will have support for the Vortech SC very soon. And after that, other FI options will naturally follow. Maps will be posted on the website, free of charge and fully viewable/editable, when they are fully tested.

See. I love this guy...

And thats why i went with the openflash. I want to install in a day, drive the car to work the next, and tune the car in a few months if i feel like there is any power left on the table. Heck. When the datalogging is available i could hit up shiv with a remote tune, all while continuing to drive my car daily. I was hoping a company would jump on the openflash capabilities and utilize the low cost tunig option to sell more turbo/superchargers.

Im just saying, they coud easily do a safe in house tune costing nothing but a few hrs of time, and making it available after purchase. It could easily be the thing that pushes their kit over the top.

[Circuit Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Hachi6

First dealer or fi maker who tunes with the openflash tab gets my money.

Supercharge or turbo.

I just want a kit i can install/flash in my garage then drive off.

PLEASE!!!

You could literally buy a turbo or S/C kit today, with a tune, and flash it onto your car via a laptop. Just FYI.

As James said - you really don't want to set it and drive off - you would really need to do some logging/monitoring to make sure it's all running healthy before beating on it.

Originally Posted by CajunFRS

If they had a Ecutek Tuner in La I would be a little more inclined to spend the money on the cable and what not. Will be nice when other options become solid for FI so I can really start planning a build.

You can remote tune, or tune in person. Some have the option of renting a cable for lower cost to you, etc.

[Dephective]

I'm purchasing a turbo kit here soon and I too want OFT to hurry up and offer FI support. I won't be doing much tuning on my own, so naturally I would want tuners to hop on board with this as well. I just hope that they offer the support by the time I get around to dropping on a kit, in which case I will make my purchase of ECUtek model and eventually switch when the support is satisfactory with OFT.

With the exception of 1 person localy (unfortunately not an ECUtek tuner), I wouldn't trust anyone absolutely with my $5k investment, especially when it can turn into a $10k headache. Anyone who says "trust me" makes me weary, regardless of reputation. While I can't do the majority of tuning on my own just yet, I am competent enough to catch something if it seems off to me, which is extremely beneficial for longevity and safety. Datalogging doesn't show you what the tables values are, only current running conditions. I want to see what my tuner did and, more importantly, WHY.

Another benefit is being able to adjust the stupid little things like fuel trims. With the changing of weather, these things can certainly make a big difference in how well and how safe your car runs. It's stupid to have to be limited on your tuner's time to adjust something so simple its infuriating. That's if you're lucky enough to get someone who offers free updates, which would more than likely make your wait times even greater.

So as a tuner, you're not willing to tune using a program that has less features but costs you nothing to use, especially when it's not reinventing the wheel, tuning principles apply regardless of the program you are using. You are about to have people throwing money at you and you're just going to say no? Guess the fewer that capitalize on this, will just profit all the more.

Not to mention, the ridiculous price variances you find on ECUtek cables and licenses through different vendors. Standardize your shit guys.