Has the FT86 changed the sports car industry? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

husker741 · 10-19-2013, 06:53 PM

I've heard from many magazines and other media sources that in the next few years, sports cars like the 370z, Mustang, and others will drop in price and weight. Is this because they have seen how much of a success this car has been and how it'll boost their sales if this car has more competition?

Discuss.

DougNuts · 10-19-2013, 07:18 PM

No. Fuel economy is the main reason.

m.box.design · 10-19-2013, 07:30 PM

i don't think it has changed the industry. numbers will always be a tangible bragging point. horsepower numbers will always be increased. i think the only thing is the 'entry level' bracket. so we'll just have to see in the next 3-5 years to see if other companies start plugging sporty cars in the 20-30g range. what do we have there now? focus st, vw gti, mazdaspeed 3, 86 twins, and a few others?

alan.chalkley · 10-19-2013, 07:54 PM

The inspiration originally came from Lotus with their "add lightness" theory.
It will also be interesting if future sports cars will come with low c.o.g. like 86/brz/frs.

Jegan_V · 10-19-2013, 08:05 PM

Weight has been the enemy of all cars including the mainstream ones. The heavier cars are more prone to consuming more fuel, they need more power over a lighter one to achieve a certain speed, and getting a heavy car to handle well is also more difficult. The 370Z and Mustang all would strive for that goal simply because of the big benefits of weight savings particularly in sports cars. The 86 may have nudge these cars to push a bit further but this goal would've been in place regardless.

As for changing the industry, the only way we can conclude the 86 has managed to change or sway the industry is if it produces similar competitors when none would've otherwise existed. So far none have been seen, only rumours. If we get a new light weight, affordable and RWD sports car in say the form of a Mitsubishi, Kia or Honda then we may be able to conclude such a thing.

gatorbushmen · 10-19-2013, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by husker741

Discuss.

NO

Frs x3 · 10-19-2013, 09:26 PM

Highly debatable topic that will not reach a certainty.

Atropine · 10-19-2013, 09:34 PM

Muscle cars...no...the Mustang, Camaro, Challenger trio will stay big and fast.

The sportscars that have become bloated sportscar/muscle car hybrids (370 and Genesis) yes.

There is already talk about Nissan's Z car going back to its roots as a smaller car. It is more of a grand tourer now.

Don't be shocked if Hyundai follows suit and puts the Genesis on a diet.

But, to really be honest...this has been a long time coming.

Frstorm · 10-19-2013, 09:49 PM

Yes the z is dropping 3k in price enough said

husker741 · 10-19-2013, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frstorm

Yes the z is dropping 3k in price enough said

Yup, that was my basis for this subject.

husker741 · 10-19-2013, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorbushmen

NO

You little bitch.

ZionsWrath · 10-19-2013, 10:20 PM

I hope it does. I hope people like Ford are head banging wondering why people are buying this car instead of spending a bit more for a GT. And I hope that leads them in the right direction with the mustang.

forzajuve · 10-19-2013, 10:36 PM

I don't know about 'changed' it, but it definitely reignited the sports car industry.

NWFRS · 10-19-2013, 11:10 PM

I'm wondering if Mazda will roll out an MX-5 coupe in a few years as a result of our little Toyobarus eating into their sales. :-)

10-19-2013, 06:53 PM	#1
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DougNuts Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: Outback 3.6R, F150, RAV4 hybrid Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 20 Thanks: 36 Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No. Fuel economy is the main reason.

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m.box.design Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 2013 Whiteout FRS Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 3,081 Thanks: 331 Thanked 1,662 Times in 933 Posts Mentioned: 107 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i don't think it has changed the industry. numbers will always be a tangible bragging point. horsepower numbers will always be increased. i think the only thing is the 'entry level' bracket. so we'll just have to see in the next 3-5 years to see if other companies start plugging sporty cars in the 20-30g range. what do we have there now? focus st, vw gti, mazdaspeed 3, 86 twins, and a few others?

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alan.chalkley Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 4wd zooks Location: Sydney / Australia Posts: 495 Thanks: 135 Thanked 167 Times in 108 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The inspiration originally came from Lotus with their "add lightness" theory. It will also be interesting if future sports cars will come with low c.o.g. like 86/brz/frs.

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Jegan_V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2023 Subaru BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 433 Thanks: 67 Thanked 275 Times in 156 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Weight has been the enemy of all cars including the mainstream ones. The heavier cars are more prone to consuming more fuel, they need more power over a lighter one to achieve a certain speed, and getting a heavy car to handle well is also more difficult. The 370Z and Mustang all would strive for that goal simply because of the big benefits of weight savings particularly in sports cars. The 86 may have nudge these cars to push a bit further but this goal would've been in place regardless. As for changing the industry, the only way we can conclude the 86 has managed to change or sway the industry is if it produces similar competitors when none would've otherwise existed. So far none have been seen, only rumours. If we get a new light weight, affordable and RWD sports car in say the form of a Mitsubishi, Kia or Honda then we may be able to conclude such a thing.

10-19-2013, 09:26 PM	#7
Frs x3 Likes it in the rear Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: RS 1.0 Location: San Antonio Posts: 226 Thanks: 94 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Highly debatable topic that will not reach a certainty.

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Atropine Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2021 Toyota Supra 2020 4Runner Location: New Plymouth, ID Posts: 701 Thanks: 1,396 Thanked 829 Times in 346 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Muscle cars...no...the Mustang, Camaro, Challenger trio will stay big and fast. The sportscars that have become bloated sportscar/muscle car hybrids (370 and Genesis) yes. There is already talk about Nissan's Z car going back to its roots as a smaller car. It is more of a grand tourer now. Don't be shocked if Hyundai follows suit and puts the Genesis on a diet. But, to really be honest...this has been a long time coming.

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Frstorm Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2013 Firestorm Location: Arkansas Posts: 356 Thanks: 53 Thanked 89 Times in 63 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yes the z is dropping 3k in price enough said

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ZionsWrath Thanks Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 4,163 Thanks: 5,989 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,498 Posts Mentioned: 38 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	I hope it does. I hope people like Ford are head banging wondering why people are buying this car instead of spending a bit more for a GT. And I hope that leads them in the right direction with the mustang.

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forzajuve Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Ultramarine 86 - 6MT Location: California Posts: 533 Thanks: 184 Thanked 139 Times in 82 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't know about 'changed' it, but it definitely reignited the sports car industry.

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NWFRS Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: ‘13 FRS Location: USA Posts: 1,298 Thanks: 3,946 Thanked 1,503 Times in 635 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I'm wondering if Mazda will roll out an MX-5 coupe in a few years as a result of our little Toyobarus eating into their sales. :-)

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