First oil change before track day? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

MrMista · 09-06-2013, 04:53 PM

Hello everyone,

Right now my car is sitting at around 3,200 miles. In October I will be going to my first track day and I will not have reached the 7,500 mile recommended change by then.

Would you guys suggest that I go ahead and change my oil before that track day? I'm not sure if it is a bad idea to stress the engine that hard on the first oil fill, or if it doesn't matter.

I plan on doing the change myself, would pretty much any fully synthetic oil be a good choice?

Thanks!

frslee · 09-06-2013, 05:09 PM

I'm not an oil expert, but I'd just change it for the peace of mind. I used Mobil 1 0W-20 as I'm not really OCD about which oil I use. It was fine on the track!

MrMista · 09-06-2013, 05:19 PM

Oh one last thing. I assume that I'd also want to change the oil filter. The general consensus on that is to use the black (no the blue) Subaru oil filter?

SportInjected · 09-06-2013, 08:23 PM

Yes, use the black filter made by Toyo roki if you can.

OrbitalEllipses · 09-06-2013, 08:41 PM

If you don't change it the car will blow up spectacularly.

zoomzoomers · 09-06-2013, 08:43 PM

There are some guys that say to keep that factory fill as long as you can, up to the recommended change interval. Something about mollys and dodads. Maybe just change out the filter and roll with the stock fill until the change interval?

leon78 · 09-06-2013, 08:52 PM

Change it...Race it...Party on!

LeeMaster · 09-07-2013, 12:27 AM

Any full synthetic would do well. I personally use Valvoline SynPower because theyre sold at a better price than the other 0w-20 (Mobil1/Pennzoil Platinum)

Jidonsu · 09-07-2013, 12:47 AM

If you can get some Pennzoil Ultra 0W-30, go with that.

Dezoris · 09-07-2013, 01:33 AM

Change and and use an oil with higher moly content, as it continues to cure/harden metals after break in.
I would not run the factory fill with all the contaminents on the track.

fstlane · 09-07-2013, 11:21 AM

I personally would just replace the filter with a OEM black Roki filter and run the factory fill until around 5000 miles. The do a complete oil change using a full synthetic GF-5 0W-20 oil. I would recommend the high moly Mazda oil that sells for $7.00 per quart from your local Mazda dealership. It's awesome oil at a great price. Have fun!

bluesubie · 09-07-2013, 08:25 PM

I would only change it if you know that you can get another 500-1,000 miles on the new oil prior to the track day. Otherwise, there's really no rush IMO. It takes time and heat for the ZDDP in the new oil to activate. Even on a car that is fully broken in, wear metals sometimes actually decrease the farther along you are into the oil change interval.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1528239

You would need to do uoa's at 1k, 2k, 3k, etc. without changing the oil to see this happening. And I would go with a high moly oil like the Mazda oil above. It's in the factory fill, but the only oils that contain similar amounts to the factory fill and the Mazda oil are racing oils like Motul 300V and Red Line. The old school molybdenum disulfide, that is. Not the new tri-nuclear moly used in lower doses in some oils to achieve a similar friction modification effect as the MoS2 in the above oils.

I would really like to get smbrm's view on this, but haven't seen him post here in a while. Another option is to contact Idemitsu Lubricants of America since they're the ones that made the factory fill.

-Dennis

09-06-2013, 04:53 PM	#1
MrMista Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ, Satin White Pearl, MT Location: Where I live Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	First oil change before track day? Hello everyone, Right now my car is sitting at around 3,200 miles. In October I will be going to my first track day and I will not have reached the 7,500 mile recommended change by then. Would you guys suggest that I go ahead and change my oil before that track day? I'm not sure if it is a bad idea to stress the engine that hard on the first oil fill, or if it doesn't matter. I plan on doing the change myself, would pretty much any fully synthetic oil be a good choice? Thanks!

09-06-2013, 08:43 PM	#6
zoomzoomers Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2013 Subaru SWP BRZ Limited 6AT Location: Darkside Posts: 1,862 Thanks: 526 Thanked 305 Times in 207 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There are some guys that say to keep that factory fill as long as you can, up to the recommended change interval. Something about mollys and dodads. Maybe just change out the filter and roll with the stock fill until the change interval? __________________ Man Law#17:A man in the company of a hot, seductively dressed, woman MUST remain sober enough to fight! MODS: AVO tubes + filter, Cusco (F) strut brace w/ MC brace, Perrin CBE, Subaru OEM trunk tray, Grimmspeed front license re-locator & hood struts and Beatsonic rear cam.

09-06-2013, 08:52 PM	#7
leon78 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: 13 Whiteout Location: Niceville FL Posts: 666 Thanks: 307 Thanked 241 Times in 142 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Change it...Race it...Party on! __________________ 2013 Scion FR-S (Whiteout) GunMetal 16x8+25 Enkei CompE_Cusco OCC_ Kartboy Crank Pulley_Kartboy TMM insert_Koni Yellows_RCE Springs_K&N Drop-In_Eibach FSB_J2 Catless FP_WhiteLine Camber Bolts_NameLess Track Pipe_RBF600_Ferodo DS2500_PTUNING Tuned. Less parking more racing

09-07-2013, 12:27 AM	#8
LeeMaster Red wine Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Subaru BRZ(R.I.P) Location: Denied Posts: 1,176 Thanks: 1,268 Thanked 342 Times in 240 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Any full synthetic would do well. I personally use Valvoline SynPower because theyre sold at a better price than the other 0w-20 (Mobil1/Pennzoil Platinum) __________________

09-07-2013, 12:47 AM	#9
Jidonsu Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Scion FR-S \| 6MT \| Ultramarine Location: CT Posts: 410 Thanks: 36 Thanked 98 Times in 60 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	If you can get some Pennzoil Ultra 0W-30, go with that. __________________ FR-S \| 6MT \| Ultramarine

09-06-2013, 05:09 PM	#2
frslee Just drive it Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 13' FR-S Location: Maryland Posts: 1,122 Thanks: 97 Thanked 321 Times in 218 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	I'm not an oil expert, but I'd just change it for the peace of mind. I used Mobil 1 0W-20 as I'm not really OCD about which oil I use. It was fine on the track!

09-06-2013, 05:19 PM	#3
MrMista Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ, Satin White Pearl, MT Location: Where I live Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Oh one last thing. I assume that I'd also want to change the oil filter. The general consensus on that is to use the black (no the blue) Subaru oil filter?

09-06-2013, 08:41 PM	#5
OrbitalEllipses Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Attitude Location: MD Posts: 10,046 Thanks: 884 Thanked 4,890 Times in 2,903 Posts Mentioned: 123 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	If you don't change it the car will blow up spectacularly.

09-07-2013, 01:33 AM	#10
Dezoris Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: IL Posts: 2,857 Thanks: 519 Thanked 2,998 Times in 1,095 Posts Mentioned: 159 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Change and and use an oil with higher moly content, as it continues to cure/harden metals after break in. I would not run the factory fill with all the contaminents on the track. __________________ SAVAGEGEESE

09-07-2013, 11:21 AM	#11
fstlane Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: BRZ Limited Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 289 Thanks: 742 Thanked 316 Times in 149 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I personally would just replace the filter with a OEM black Roki filter and run the factory fill until around 5000 miles. The do a complete oil change using a full synthetic GF-5 0W-20 oil. I would recommend the high moly Mazda oil that sells for $7.00 per quart from your local Mazda dealership. It's awesome oil at a great price. Have fun!

09-07-2013, 08:25 PM	#12
bluesubie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2004 Subaru Forester 2.5XT Location: Central NJ Posts: 681 Thanks: 28 Thanked 273 Times in 200 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	First oil change before track day? I would only change it if you know that you can get another 500-1,000 miles on the new oil prior to the track day. Otherwise, there's really no rush IMO. It takes time and heat for the ZDDP in the new oil to activate. Even on a car that is fully broken in, wear metals sometimes actually decrease the farther along you are into the oil change interval. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1528239 You would need to do uoa's at 1k, 2k, 3k, etc. without changing the oil to see this happening. And I would go with a high moly oil like the Mazda oil above. It's in the factory fill, but the only oils that contain similar amounts to the factory fill and the Mazda oil are racing oils like Motul 300V and Red Line. The old school molybdenum disulfide, that is. Not the new tri-nuclear moly used in lower doses in some oils to achieve a similar friction modification effect as the MoS2 in the above oils. I would really like to get smbrm's view on this, but haven't seen him post here in a while. Another option is to contact Idemitsu Lubricants of America since they're the ones that made the factory fill. -Dennis

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