We're splitting hairs at this point (FRS v. BRZ)

[s5pitfire]

What the hell is with having 2 of the exact same car (minus a few cosmetic differences and "one handles like .5% different than the other") and forcing buyers to decide which one? I'd rather have 1 brand and 3 different trim levels instead.. But I know about the birth of FRSBRZ

Unless you're Bill gates, and a car enthusiast, you're going to spend at least a few hours researching which one to get.

I know people in this section will prefer the FR-S, basically the FR-S is cheaper, has less options, is 10mm lower, has the "scion" branding (which is like buying legos versus a hobby lobby car kit to build), less luxurious... but has a cooler bumper cover.

I LOVE the sound of the WRX/STi boxer motor but the FRS sounds nothing like it. You dont get the burbley floating piston sound.. you basically get a regular 4 cylinder sound. And no v-tec or turbo. Anyone think Toyota could've developed a new 4 cylinder similar to S2000/Honda or even their own 170hp Celica GT?

As I stand right now, I want an FR-S just because I can save a couple thousand and buy a CAI/exhaust with that. And it'd be a lot cooler than a stock BRZ (no offense. same car, different money)

[bkblitzed]

I didnt care about the price between the two. I chose the frs because of the interior/bumper. I wanted no navi, no fancy radio, nothing like that. Just plain and simple, that and it over steers more.

[6speed_Sam]

What sold me on the FRS was the front end design and the lower price. And ^^ no 'fancy' interior bits. Though the seat material is better in the BRZ.

An UEL will give the boxer sound like a traditional Subaru with UEL.

[s5pitfire]

Originally Posted by bkblitzed

I didnt care about the price between the two. I chose the frs because of the interior/bumper. I wanted no navi, no fancy radio, nothing like that. Just plain and simple, that and it over steers more.

yeah the draw to the BRZ for me is slightly nicer interior but FRS costs less and seems more purist, and that's the main objective of the car.

A big difference, imo, would be if the BRZ had a 10hp boost over the FRS due to a tune or intake difference... but otherwise they're 99% the same car

Originally Posted by 6speed_Sam

What sold me on the FRS was the front end design and the lower price. And ^^ no 'fancy' interior bits. Though the seat material is better in the BRZ.

the scion logos vs. the subaru ones.. i'd rather drive a subaru.. but the 86 with the pistons on the side are creative and cool as hell. Too bad they couldnt do 86mm exhaust tips

An UEL will give the boxer sound like a traditional Subaru with UEL.

have you rode/driven in a BRZ? ive read a couple opinions about how the part leather/part alacantra (sp) seats in the BRZ arent cool. You basically slide on the leather, grip on the alacantra


edit: i think the front design alone is enough for me to want the FRS. I know some BRZ owners love their bumper, but I dont like that black plastic look


edit2: torque dip turns me off because not only does it only have 151 ft-lbs torque.. but you dont feel anything 3-5k rpm? Should've been solved in R&D.. but hopefully it will be fixed for 2014

[kajun]

Originally Posted by s5pitfire

You dont get the burbley floating piston sound.. you basically get a regular 4 cylinder sound.

Install UEL headers, boom.

Originally Posted by s5pitfire

And no v-tec or turbo.

VTEC in Toyota is called VVTi; the FA20 has it - it's just variable valve timing, nothing too special. Want a turbo and a WRX sounding engine? Buy a damn WRX.

Originally Posted by s5pitfire

Anyone think Toyota could've developed a new 4 cylinder similar to S2000/Honda or even their own 170hp Celica GT?

... but instead they developed a new engine with Subaru which is 200hp? For shame Toyota, when you could have put a 170hp Celica engine in there!

[FnFast]

ANOTHER WHY I PICKED FRS OVER BRZ OR VICE VERSA!!! Sweet! The reason Subaru and Toyota joined together because it shares the R&D costs and etc. Each has their own target markets so the cars were tweaked for their crowd.

No biggie guys.

[Enraged21]

I'm tired of reading these threads.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Enraged21

I'm tired of reading these threads.

I think they just need to make a sticky in the FR-S subforum that says "Why I prefer my FR-S over the BRZ" and then make a sticky in the BRZ subforum that says "Why I prefer my BRZ over the FR-S" and then ban anyone who opens a new thread....

[Enraged21]

Originally Posted by thill

I think they just need to make a sticky in the FR-S subforum that says "Why I prefer my FR-S over the BRZ" and then make a sticky in the BRZ subforum that says "Why I prefer my BRZ over the FR-S" and then ban anyone who opens a new thread....

That's an awesome idea

[ndsleep612]

If I wanted some fancy interiors for my car, I'd buy a BMW or a Mercedes. FR-S has no distractions besides the crickets.

[utekineir]

less money sunk into a depreciable asset

easy choice

[s5pitfire]

Originally Posted by kajun

Install UEL headers, boom.



VTEC in Toyota is called VVTi; the FA20 has it - it's just variable valve timing, nothing too special. Want a turbo and a WRX sounding engine? Buy a damn WRX.



... but instead they developed a new engine with Subaru which is 200hp? For shame Toyota, when you could have put a 170hp Celica engine in there!

Just watched a few youtube vids of them.. DO WANT. Best sounding 4 cylinder along with an S2000 with ITB's and all that. It's a shame subaru didn't have them sound like the wrx from factory

Listened to some celica GTS videos and sounds very similar to v-tec.. but i guess it will only have 200hp like a civic si with full BPU (never had a civic but i like the Si)


and about the FA20... you cant have it all but i guess i compare it to the s2000's 240hp and a few more torque. 40 hp is more than you would get from CAI/headers/exhaust

Originally Posted by thill

I think they just need to make a sticky in the FR-S subforum that says "Why I prefer my FR-S over the BRZ" and then make a sticky in the BRZ subforum that says "Why I prefer my BRZ over the FR-S" and then ban anyone who opens a new thread....

yet im saying it's just splitting hairs/doesnt makes a minute difference



edit: but does make a difference and its fun to argue about

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by bkblitzed

I didnt care about the price between the two. I chose the frs because of the interior/bumper. I wanted no navi, no fancy radio, nothing like that. Just plain and simple, that and it over steers more.

Agreed.. less is more.

[5th 86]

Not to flame but why is it always the frs ppl who need to compare there car to the brz and need to justify why they bought it any why its better? I think every single person who bought thought about the differences and made there choice accordingly, and if you have no idea why there are 2 badges or actually 3, google or youtube be your friend. Then use common sense to work out why there are different badges.
Life is fn simple if you have problems with the current car and you cannot see where they had to make compromises for the price you pay frs or brz, and you cant deal with it dont buy it, move on to a different car, i am pretty aure the camaro, mustang gt, or genesis come under there own badge, it will help you make your decision easier if you look at those since its far to hard to choose from scion or subaru, for some.