How much of our car is Subaru vs Toyota?

[jacobzking]

This has probably been discussed a bazillion times, but cant search for "frs" or BRZ" and expect anything less than a million unrelated results...

so how much of this car is actually Toyota?

[jonghyun]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/columns/...-but-different

[marky]

64% toyota 34% subaru 1% scion 1%=scion emblem

[Tromatic]

Since it was built by Subaru, I'm going with nothing. I have yet to see any Toyota stamped parts in my FR-S. Who cares?

[kajun]

Here's what I know -
- The engine is Subaru's technology with Toyota's direct injection system added
- The Automatic transmission at least is the same as the Lexus IS-F, so it's Toyota sourced. Not sure about the MT.
- Most of the other mechanicals seem to share parts with Subaru's other cars.
- The design was driven by Akio Toyoda, head of Toyota, so the overall body can be considered to be theirs.
- It's built at the Subaru (Fuji Heavy Industries) plant in Gunma so what you actually get is ultimately a Subaru-built car.

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by kajun

Here's what I know -
- The engine is Subaru's technology with Toyota's direct injection system added
- The Automatic transmission at least is the same as the Lexus IS-F, so it's Toyota sourced. Not sure about the MT.
- Most of the other mechanicals seem to share parts with Subaru's other cars.
- The design was driven by Akio Toyoda, head of Toyota, so the overall body can be considered to be theirs.
- It's built at the Subaru (Fuji Heavy Industries) plant in Gunma so what you actually get is ultimately a Subaru-built car.

so its a Subaru designed by the mind of Toyota?

[zaptorque]

THIS is what you need to read: http://blog.toyota.co.uk/tada-how-to...eated-the-gt86

[Priapus]

Please correct me if I'm wrong. From what I've read about the FT86 over the years, it was inspired the Toyota Sports 800, Toyota 2000GT, and Toyota AE86.

The earlier FT86 concept in 2007 was called FT-HS (hybrid with a V6 motor) and was made 100% by Toyota. A year later, after Toyota had bought a considerable chunk of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru's parent company), Toyota asked for Subaru's collaboration in the FT project. Subaru turned down the offer, simply because they didn't want to get involved in making a two-wheel-drive car.

6 months later, Toyota invited Subaru Engineers to a track to test drive the developmental prototype. Shortly after, Subaru agreed to collaborate.

The first FT86 Concept was shown in 2009. The hybrid V6 was replaced by Subaru's flat-4 with Toyota's D4-S injection.

Fast forward, all FT86s were made at Subaru's Manufacturing Plant, that's why you see "Subaru" stamped on almost every body part of the car.

The FT86 is a soul-child of the lesser known (at least to me) Sports 800, the legendary 2000GT (which is considered by many to be Japan's first super car), and the beloved AE86, which needs no introduction. And yes, all these 3 inspirations for the FT86 are Toyotas.

If I'm not mistaken, besides the Flat-4, Subaru also contributed the transmission, chassis, among other important parts; however, the FT86 started life as a Toyota, and even with significant contribution by Subaru, to me, it remains a Toyota.

Cheers.

[zaptorque]

Originally Posted by Priapus

Please correct me if I'm wrong. From what I've read about the FT86 over the years, it was inspired the Toyota Sports 500, Toyota 2000GT, and Toyota AE86.

The earlier FT86 concept in 2007 was called FT-HS (hybrid with a V6 motor) and was made 100% by Toyota. A year later, after Toyota had bought a considerable chunk of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru's parent company), Toyota asked for Subaru's collaboration in the FT project. Subaru turned down the offer, simply because they didn't want to get involved in making a two-wheel-drive car.

6 months later, Toyota invited Subaru Engineers to a track to test drive the developmental prototype. Shortly after, Subaru agreed to collaborate.

The first FT86 Concept was shown in 2009. The hybrid V6 was replaced by Subaru's flat-4 with Toyota's D4-S injection.

Fast forward, all FT86s were made at Subaru's Manufacturing Plant, that's why you see "Subaru" stamped on almost every body part of the car.

The FT86 is a soul-child of the lesser known (at least to me) Sports 500, the legendary 2000GT (which is considered by many to be Japan's first super car), and the beloved AE86, which needs no introduction. And yes, all these 3 inspirations for the FT86 are Toyotas.

If I'm not mistaken, besides the Flat-4, Subaru also contributed the transmission, chassis, among other important parts; however, the FT86 started life as a Toyota, and even with significant contribution by Subaru, to me, it remains a Toyota.

Cheers.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[ft_sjo]

Most of the power train is Subaru. Notable Toyota parts are the rear differential and er, that's about it.

I'm curious about the ecu though. It's Subaru, but Toyota tech stream can talk to it. I wonder if they added in both the Subaru protocol (SSM) and the Toyota one?

[fatoni]

its a loaded question. i dont know why people give a fuck who built the car. you dont credit a construction worker over an architect. it can get more convoluted when you consider that you can almost interpret it as subaru working for toyota.

from an engineering standpoint (which should be the point that matters. not who stamped their name on a control arm or whatever) you have both subaru and toyota engineers in a room hammering out a car. those people are responsible for the frs/brz.

[kajun]

Originally Posted by Celica00

so its a Subaru designed by the mind of Toyota?

I figured OP is asking how much is Subaru parts vs Toyota parts, which is what I was trying to address.

[ZmZMWagon]

60% Mazda 25% Subaru 5% Toyota 10% No one cares

BTW, I only recall ever seeing a Subaru test Mule running around

**shrug**

[kajun]

Originally Posted by zaptorque

THIS is what you need to read: http://blog.toyota.co.uk/tada-how-to...eated-the-gt86

Here's the follow up - http://blog.toyota.co.uk/tada-talks-...-drinking-beer

Fascinating couple of quotes:

Also, along the way, we investigated the possibility of a sedan [saloon] and a shooting brake.

....

“It’s just my personal dream that the GT86 could become a family like what BMW has done with the Mini family. I hope that happens. I also have five dogs myself and I would like to have them in the car, so a sports shooting break would be just right.

That'll answer those complaining about the lack of boot space :P

I am hoping that we can leverage this experience when we work with BMW. So just like we bought the GT86 out of our work with Subaru, I am hoping for a synergy effect with BMW that will result in a product that none of us could have imagined; something more than anyone expects. I would like that to be something like a sports car… I would even go so far as to say that for the collaboration to work we have to bring a product which exceeds all these expectations.

Anyone else thinking a Supra successor built by BMW?