Koenigsegg Camless Engine Testing - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

DKPJester · 03-15-2013, 12:50 PM

I did a search and saw some mentions of camless tech in some of the engine threads but nothing on this particular video. Jalopnik posted an article yesterday in which Christian Von K of Koenigsegg predicted that camshafts would be gone in 10 years. This article linked to an older article in which he was showing off a prototype system and explaining the benefits. I know pneumatic cams are not a new idea, but seeing them in action in a potentially viable system and having a car technology nut explain the tech and it's impact on packaging constrains and performance was so interesting I thought I'd share.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bch5B23_pu0"]The Future of the Internal Combustion Engine - Inside Koenigsegg - YouTube[/ame]

OrbitalEllipses · 03-15-2013, 01:04 PM

I think we've talked about in the Off-Topic thread for random thoughts, but a separate thread is a great idea. I love the Inside Koenigsegg videos!

dem00n · 03-15-2013, 01:21 PM

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QJlL0zNdMA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QJlL0zNdMA[/ame]

You don't need a dual clutch.

Love it.

DKPJester · 03-15-2013, 02:04 PM

Koenigsegg has always made incredible cars from a performance standpoint, but something about the design has never inspired that car lust in me like some things do. Watching him explain these concepts more from a place of passion and engineering knowledge than marketing buzzwords and salesmanship and his ability to take fairly complex ideas and make them easily understandable makes me want to give him all of my money. It's not like I'm in the hypercar market or anything, but if I was this man would make a compelling reason for buying a Koenigsegg over the competition.

cmspooner · 03-15-2013, 08:58 PM

We'll be watching that in my small engines class on Monday! That is amazing!

OrbitalEllipses · 03-15-2013, 09:08 PM

The Agera R has probably the most brutal acceleration I've seen in a production car. It's just GONE.

RAWR BRZ · 03-15-2013, 09:23 PM

The idea of using the air compressor to act like turbos is really really cool

Rich@ViscontiTuning · 03-17-2013, 12:38 AM

Not directly related to the FR-S/BRZ but interesting, no?

http://jalopnik.com/the-future-of-th...less-369015485

XPR Small Block · 03-17-2013, 12:52 AM

WOW that sounds so sweet! That would change everything we know about a motor!!

Dustin · 03-17-2013, 01:22 AM

Very interesting. I like how it's not just an "idea" but that they have been running a system for some time now and have results showing its feasibility in real world applications.

WolfsFang · 03-17-2013, 01:29 AM

Wow that is amazing.

industrial · 03-17-2013, 02:09 AM

So is this something you guys are bringing with the new ecutek flash?

teeheeeheee

Captain Snooze · 03-17-2013, 02:17 AM

Ummm... I am not suggesting this is not interesting but this is hardly new.
"History shows that the idea of a camless internal combustion engine has its origins as early as 1899".
http://www.me.sc.edu/Research/AARG/history.htm
I vaguely remember BMW showing interest in camless engines at least 10 years ago.

From the OP's link:
"But now, in Koenigsegg's shop as it is in many other labs around the world, the cam is turning obsolete."
That is marketing speak for "it is still under development"

Brzetto · 03-17-2013, 05:44 AM

Is the VTec still going to kick in yo? *smirk*

03-15-2013, 12:50 PM	#1
DKPJester Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 Whiteout FR-S Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 251 Thanks: 34 Thanked 69 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Koenigsegg Camless Engine Testing I did a search and saw some mentions of camless tech in some of the engine threads but nothing on this particular video. Jalopnik posted an article yesterday in which Christian Von K of Koenigsegg predicted that camshafts would be gone in 10 years. This article linked to an older article in which he was showing off a prototype system and explaining the benefits. I know pneumatic cams are not a new idea, but seeing them in action in a potentially viable system and having a car technology nut explain the tech and it's impact on packaging constrains and performance was so interesting I thought I'd share. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bch5B23_pu0"]The Future of the Internal Combustion Engine - Inside Koenigsegg - YouTube[/ame] __________________ But once again we must turn to the baby Jesus who once said "He who shall be last, shall be sideways and smiling."

03-15-2013, 02:04 PM	#4
DKPJester Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 Whiteout FR-S Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 251 Thanks: 34 Thanked 69 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Koenigsegg has always made incredible cars from a performance standpoint, but something about the design has never inspired that car lust in me like some things do. Watching him explain these concepts more from a place of passion and engineering knowledge than marketing buzzwords and salesmanship and his ability to take fairly complex ideas and make them easily understandable makes me want to give him all of my money. It's not like I'm in the hypercar market or anything, but if I was this man would make a compelling reason for buying a Koenigsegg over the competition. __________________ But once again we must turn to the baby Jesus who once said "He who shall be last, shall be sideways and smiling."

03-17-2013, 12:38 AM	#8
Rich@ViscontiTuning Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2012 VW GLI Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 166 Thanks: 39 Thanked 194 Times in 89 Posts Mentioned: 34 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The Future of the Internal Combustion Engine Is Camless Not directly related to the FR-S/BRZ but interesting, no? http://jalopnik.com/the-future-of-th...less-369015485

03-17-2013, 01:22 AM	#10
Dustin Twin Screw You Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2013 Supercharged Whiteout FR-S Location: Burleson, Texas Posts: 1,231 Thanks: 464 Thanked 620 Times in 332 Posts Mentioned: 37 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Very interesting. I like how it's not just an "idea" but that they have been running a system for some time now and have results showing its feasibility in real world applications. __________________ My 86 Differential and Ring & Pinion DIY

03-17-2013, 01:29 AM	#11
WolfsFang Scrape Master Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Goal: Oldest FRS State Side Location: North NJ Posts: 1,161 Thanks: 238 Thanked 412 Times in 238 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wow that is amazing. __________________ You do realize comparing the BRZ to the FR-S is like comparing which hand you love masterbating too right?

03-15-2013, 01:04 PM	#2
OrbitalEllipses Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Attitude Location: MD Posts: 10,046 Thanks: 884 Thanked 4,890 Times in 2,903 Posts Mentioned: 123 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	I think we've talked about in the Off-Topic thread for random thoughts, but a separate thread is a great idea. I love the Inside Koenigsegg videos!

03-15-2013, 01:21 PM	#3
dem00n Member of the year - 2016 Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Scion FRS Location: New York Posts: 3,575 Thanks: 788 Thanked 2,427 Times in 1,111 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QJlL0zNdMA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QJlL0zNdMA[/ame] You don't need a dual clutch. Love it.

03-15-2013, 09:08 PM	#6
OrbitalEllipses Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Attitude Location: MD Posts: 10,046 Thanks: 884 Thanked 4,890 Times in 2,903 Posts Mentioned: 123 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	The Agera R has probably the most brutal acceleration I've seen in a production car. It's just GONE.

03-15-2013, 09:23 PM	#7
RAWR BRZ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2010 BMW M3, 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: Orange County Posts: 376 Thanks: 32 Thanked 97 Times in 56 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The idea of using the air compressor to act like turbos is really really cool

03-17-2013, 12:52 AM	#9
XPR Small Block Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: Scion Frs Location: Santa Rosa, Ca Posts: 70 Thanks: 21 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	WOW that sounds so sweet! That would change everything we know about a motor!!

03-17-2013, 02:09 AM	#12
industrial Add lightness! Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 17' WRX Location: Boston Posts: 1,253 Thanks: 380 Thanked 888 Times in 411 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So is this something you guys are bringing with the new ecutek flash? teeheeeheee

03-17-2013, 02:17 AM	#13
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,818 Thanks: 4,050 Thanked 9,551 Times in 4,195 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Ummm... I am not suggesting this is not interesting but this is hardly new. "History shows that the idea of a camless internal combustion engine has its origins as early as 1899". http://www.me.sc.edu/Research/AARG/history.htm I vaguely remember BMW showing interest in camless engines at least 10 years ago. From the OP's link: "But now, in Koenigsegg's shop as it is in many other labs around the world, the cam is turning obsolete." That is marketing speak for "it is still under development"

03-17-2013, 05:44 AM	#14
Brzetto Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 4 wheels Location: Earth Posts: 1,024 Thanks: 117 Thanked 332 Times in 205 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Is the VTec still going to kick in yo? smirk

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