FT86 vs Competitors (german market)

[torquemada]

different competitors at the german market are:

VW Scirocco R, FWD, 265 hp


Renault Megane RS coupé, FWD, 250 hp


BMW 125i coupé, RWD, 218 hp


Mini JCW coupé, FWD, 211 hp


Audi TT coupé 2.0 TFSI, FWD or AWD, 211 hp


Peugeot RCZ, FWD, 200 hp



it won´t be easy for the BRZ / FT86 at the german market...

[SUB-FT86]

That Peugeot,Mini and BMW is butt ugly.

[Neutral_Eyes]

Real tough competition.. until the first turn.

But seriously, if those cars are in the same price range I feel bad for you guys.

[Dark]

Those cars are much more expensive.

[Buggy51]

Aren't they all at least 1.5x the cost of a base miata? o_O

[spin9k]

Except for the BMW they are all FWD - so fail.... at least as a comparable car. How about some RWD competition in the FT-86 price range?

And the BMW 125i is huge, high, and awkward compared to the tiny FT-86 coupe.

[ryun84]

Gawd. That Renault looks good.

[quik1987]

base cayman?

[Harinjo]

Originally Posted by quik1987

base cayman?

40k €

[torquemada]

first, we all don´t know the pricing yet, but for example the price for a Subaru WRX STI starts at 46.400 Euro in Germany
http://www.subaru.de/fileadmin/downl...ti-spec-19.pdf
the higher equipped sport versions are listed with 51.500 Euro

FWD isn´t that bad

Scirocco R vid, password is evoservice



ok, these two Sciroccos aren´t bone stock

[torquemada]

Originally Posted by Harinjo

40k €

wrong, base Cayman starts at 50.700 Euro in Germany

http://www.porsche.com/germany/models/cayman/

[torquemada]

Originally Posted by Dark

Those cars are much more expensive.

we all don´t know the pricing for BRZ / FT86, for reference pricing in Germany:

VW Scirocco R 35.000 €
Hyundai Genesis Coupé 2.0 T 30.000 €
Renault Megane RS Coupé 27.000 €
BMW 125i Coupé 33.000 €
Ford Mustang V6 34.000 €
Mazda MX5 Roadster Coupé 27.000 €
Mini JCW Coupé 31.000 €
Audi TT 2.0 TFSI FWD 34.000 €
Audi TT 2.0 TFSI AWD 38.500 €
Peugeot RCZ 30.000 €

we´re estimating a price range from 28.000 € to 35.000 € for the BRZ / FT86 in Germany

[Matador]

Wouldn't the FT-86 compete more closely with the Scirocco 2.0 TSI rather than the R?

Japanese cars tend not to be very well accepted in Germany, so I don't think it will win any sales races, but I do think it will compare very favourably to the125 coupe, JCW and Scirocco 2.0 TSI Numbers wise. I do believe it will be a far more special car than any of those three though.

The Megane RS is other wordly despite being FWD so it will undoubtedly be faster, but there is just so much more fun to be had with a rwd platform.

[Hasjwandje]

Originally Posted by torquemada

we all don´t know the pricing for BRZ / FT86, for reference pricing in Germany:

VW Scirocco R 35.000 €
Hyundai Genesis Coupé 2.0 T 30.000 €
Renault Megane RS Coupé 27.000 €
BMW 125i Coupé 33.000 €
Ford Mustang V6 34.000 €
Mazda MX5 Roadster Coupé 27.000 €
Mini JCW Coupé 31.000 €
Audi TT 2.0 TFSI FWD 34.000 €
Audi TT 2.0 TFSI AWD 38.500 €
Peugeot RCZ 30.000 €

we´re estimating a price range from 28.000 € to 35.000 € for the BRZ / FT86 in Germany

These are all cars with much more power except for the MX maybe but thats a convertible and they are always expensive.

If the FT86 / BRZ is going to be more than 27k it's not going to be a succes. In terms of power it will have to compete with the Cio RS and Corsa OPC and the new Fiesta ST ( if they're ever gonna release it ) and these are all 26k and less cars.

Because why would you buy a 30k+ FT86 if you can buy a megane RS for the same amount which is faster and will give u 300+ bhp with only a ECU remap?

they need to get the price spot on other wise it's a shame of all the effort they've put in to it.