FT-86/FR-S: Tailor made to Auto-X? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

RiskyTrousers · 11-06-2011, 01:49 AM

With its small dimensions, wide stance and low center of gravity, isn't the FR-S sounding like the perfect autocross tool?

If it isn't unfairly classed I can see this dominating several categories! Maybe the experienced experts can chime in?

I haven't been auto crossing for several years but you can bet your ass I'll be at the first SoCal/San Diego event after launch, whos with me!?

P.S. Hopefully we get an auto-X sub forum where we can talk about cool stuff like slip angles and scrub radius.

fatoni · 11-06-2011, 02:15 AM

i doubt it but the only real thing i can think of to make a decision one way or the other is the six speed seems like they are more concerned with road course and real world capabilities

gixxer · 11-06-2011, 11:48 AM

I'm intersted to get this for auto x. What is the steering ratio and lock to lock? If it's quick that would make it less effort on the course

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skeeler · 11-06-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

i doubt it but the only real thing i can think of to make a decision one way or the other is the six speed seems like they are more concerned with road course and real world capabilities

Depending on gearing and redline, a six-speed may be better in autocross than a 5-speed.

skeeler · 11-06-2011, 01:17 PM

I wouldn't say this car is tailor-made for autocross, since it has McPhereson struts in front, but it still may do pretty well. I'm certainly considering this car as an autocross tool.

markitect · 11-06-2011, 02:22 PM

I plan on taking it out to autocross, seems like the best place to get a real feel for what it can do.
It seems like C-Stock is probably a likely class, I just hope I can get my hands on one early in the season(which is short here in michigan).

fatoni · 11-06-2011, 03:10 PM

of course these things depend on gearing and redline but i dont know of a car yet that fairs better in an autox because of its six speed. i also dont know why people give so much thought on things like they type of suspension. its a means to an end, they might just be great. i dont think porsche or bmw or evos have any problems

Dave-ROR · 11-06-2011, 03:12 PM

I'll find out how good it is at autocross once I get one. It'll be autocrossed within a month of buying it.

The4kBeast · 11-06-2011, 11:33 PM

I wonder how much tire we'll be able to stuff on a stock wheel (without suspension/fender interference).

Deslock · 11-07-2011, 07:59 AM

I expect this car to be a hoot at autox, but I'd rather have a shorter wheelbase.

rankink · 11-07-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The4kBeast

I wonder how much tire we'll be able to stuff on a stock wheel (without suspension/fender interference).

If it is a 17x7 you could get a 245/40 on there most likely, but whether it is more beneficial than a 225 would remain to be seen. Gearing is the next big spec I would like to see on this for autocross use.

oneday · 11-07-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The4kBeast

I wonder how much tire we'll be able to stuff on a stock wheel (without suspension/fender interference).

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankink

If it is a 17x7 you could get a 245/40 on there most likely, but whether it is more beneficial than a 225 would remain to be seen. Gearing is the next big spec I would like to see on this for autocross use.

Assuming the car comes with 16x7 and/or 17x7.5 wheels, the wheels will be the limiting factor before the fenders/suspension are (unless you go crazy with taller profiles for gearing reasons). That said, a 255/45 is probably going to be the sane limit for either diameter.

RiskyTrousers · 11-07-2011, 04:53 PM

I would be surprised if we wouldn't be able to stuff 255s all around.

rankink · 11-07-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RiskyTrousers

I would be surprised if we wouldn't be able to stuff 255s all around.

Unfortunately neither kumho (v710) nor Hoosier (A6) have a 255 size tire in 17 in wheel size. So, it is 245 as the largest. You could fit a 275 on a 17x7.5 wheel (04 STI guys have done it), but I doubt it would be beneficial for this car.

11-06-2011, 01:49 AM	#1
RiskyTrousers Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: '87 Corolla GTS, '13 FR-S 6MT Location: United States Posts: 364 Thanks: 54 Thanked 146 Times in 67 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	FT-86/FR-S: Tailor made to Auto-X? With its small dimensions, wide stance and low center of gravity, isn't the FR-S sounding like the perfect autocross tool? If it isn't unfairly classed I can see this dominating several categories! Maybe the experienced experts can chime in? I haven't been auto crossing for several years but you can bet your ass I'll be at the first SoCal/San Diego event after launch, whos with me!? P.S. Hopefully we get an auto-X sub forum where we can talk about cool stuff like slip angles and scrub radius. Last edited by RiskyTrousers; 11-07-2011 at 04:56 PM.

11-06-2011, 11:48 AM	#3
gixxer Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2020 CTR Location: Michigan Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm intersted to get this for auto x. What is the steering ratio and lock to lock? If it's quick that would make it less effort on the course.

11-06-2011, 01:17 PM	#5
skeeler Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: Miatas of Various Kinds Location: MD outside DC Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I wouldn't say this car is tailor-made for autocross, since it has McPhereson struts in front, but it still may do pretty well. I'm certainly considering this car as an autocross tool. __________________ DD & STR: 2009 Miata. DD & HPDE: 1995 Miata. Sold: 2004 Mazdaspeed Miata, 1991 CRX, 1977 280Z.

11-06-2011, 03:12 PM	#8
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	I'll find out how good it is at autocross once I get one. It'll be autocrossed within a month of buying it. __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

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11-06-2011, 02:15 AM	#2
fatoni Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: miata, mazdaspeed protege, ls430 Location: socal Posts: 4,416 Thanks: 599 Thanked 1,443 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i doubt it but the only real thing i can think of to make a decision one way or the other is the six speed seems like they are more concerned with road course and real world capabilities

11-06-2011, 02:22 PM	#6
markitect Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Drives: Scion FRS Location: Michigan Posts: 216 Thanks: 17 Thanked 59 Times in 39 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I plan on taking it out to autocross, seems like the best place to get a real feel for what it can do. It seems like C-Stock is probably a likely class, I just hope I can get my hands on one early in the season(which is short here in michigan).

11-06-2011, 03:10 PM	#7
fatoni Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: miata, mazdaspeed protege, ls430 Location: socal Posts: 4,416 Thanks: 599 Thanked 1,443 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	of course these things depend on gearing and redline but i dont know of a car yet that fairs better in an autox because of its six speed. i also dont know why people give so much thought on things like they type of suspension. its a means to an end, they might just be great. i dont think porsche or bmw or evos have any problems

11-07-2011, 07:59 AM	#10
Deslock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 2013 DZE/01 (sold for MX5 ND1) Location: western MA Posts: 871 Thanks: 265 Thanked 269 Times in 133 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I expect this car to be a hoot at autox, but I'd rather have a shorter wheelbase. Last edited by Deslock; 11-07-2011 at 10:44 AM.

11-07-2011, 04:53 PM	#13
RiskyTrousers Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: '87 Corolla GTS, '13 FR-S 6MT Location: United States Posts: 364 Thanks: 54 Thanked 146 Times in 67 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would be surprised if we wouldn't be able to stuff 255s all around.

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