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GC GTS Aero Kit · 10-06-2012, 08:40 AM

Hi guys I bought a set of composite Alloy wheel nuts and the last night I put on the 4th wheel sheared off as I was torquing them up. It is tight against the wheel what is the best way to get it off?

70NYD · 10-06-2012, 08:45 AM

Oh man so it snapped in line with the threads, not down the length??
Your best bet is to get a chisel and try to brake it. If that don't work you need to drill the stud out..
This is why noone, ever, should get aluminum nuts..

doggy · 10-06-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 70NYD

This is why noone, ever, should get aluminum nuts..

You mean CHEAP EBAY ones right?

I'v used lots of nuts from differenet brand (not cheapos) nuts - and NEVER had any problems... Even our race car is running on Rays aluminium nuts for last 3 years - and never ever had any problem..

Ussualy people overtight them - and then blame it on for them beeing aluminium. Its pretty easy to read over and find torque settings for all the nuts - and use a torque tool...

Easyest way to take off broken nut - is just to drill the stud out and replace it with new one.

70NYD · 10-06-2012, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doggy

You mean CHEAP EBAY ones right?

I'v used lots of nuts from differenet brand (not cheapos) nuts - and NEVER had any problems... Even our race car is running on Rays aluminium nuts for last 3 years - and never ever had any problem..

Ussualy people overtight them - and then blame it on for them beeing aluminium. Its pretty easy to read over and find torque settings for all the nuts - and use a torque tool...

Easyest way to take off broken nut - is just to drill the stud out and replace it with new one.

No I mean ANY
aluminium nuts are a throw away item. They should be used once. Period. Regardless of the brand. This is from a metallurgical point of view. You can argue with annecdotes all day of you want to

Also since al alloys distort differently to steel alloys, as you said, they should be torqued slightly differently.

Rawhyde · 10-06-2012, 01:58 PM

Aluminum lug nuts? Why would anyone even make such a thing? The liability would be crushing. What is the point of using them? It seems like a risky way to save a small amount of weight.

Cheddar · 10-06-2012, 02:04 PM

I used 5zigen aluminum lugs for over 6 years. Torque to 80 pounds with a torque wrench that gets checked and calibrated every year.

Never had any issues. If you don't have a torque wrench you shouldn't be putting them on with a gun or by hand.

Cheddar · 10-06-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawhyde

Aluminum lug nuts? Why would anyone even make such a thing? The liability would be crushing. What is the point of using them? It seems like a risky way to save a small amount of weight.

Because racecar

uspspro · 10-06-2012, 03:02 PM

I am all for lightweight, but would never use AL lug nuts.

I've had enough trouble with AL spoke nipples on bike wheels, that I use brass and save weight in the spokes/rims instead.

rice_classic · 10-06-2012, 03:16 PM

I'm going to make pewter lugs nutz... That'd by tyte yo! Pewter is da new bling y'all!

:I'm going to go bang my head against the wall now:

Josh B · 10-06-2012, 03:25 PM

Aluminum lug nuts are intended to be used only once. When you torque them to the correct setting they stretch, a lot. Personally I don't see the point, just use some quality steel nuts or Ti if you have the money.

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ahausheer · 10-06-2012, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheddar

I used 5zigen aluminum lugs for over 6 years. Torque to 80 pounds with a torque wrench that gets checked and calibrated every year.

Never had any issues. If you don't have a torque wrench you shouldn't be putting them on with a gun or by hand.

Sorry but one case does not an argument make. Aluminum is too soft, you got lucky.

GC GTS Aero Kit · 10-06-2012, 06:56 PM

These are what I used

carbonBLUE · 10-06-2012, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheddar

I used 5zigen aluminum lugs for over 6 years. Torque to 80 pounds with a torque wrench that gets checked and calibrated every year.

Never had any issues. If you don't have a torque wrench you shouldn't be putting them on with a gun or by hand.

i use an impact zip zip zip just right and you shouldnt have any problems, ive never over tightened a nut with my 600 ftlb gun, over tighten with a wrench, i have no faith in you... lol

or you can buy a tq stick for your impact and just got to town, i dont use wrenches on my FRS because the handle comes too close to the body, afraid i will harm something :P

Ravenlokk · 10-06-2012, 07:04 PM

I've used Al nuts for my past few cars with no problems, weren't particularly high end, nor were they the cheapest ones available either. Always want to make a point of visually inspecting them for any flaws, and be sure that its snug in the key. Also, as has been stated never over torque!

edit add: I also use my impact to throw em on usually because its faster lol, but i'll usually hit em with a tq wrench after for the final tightening... I had a friend in highschool who didnt check tq and almost lost a wheel while driving.. 1 nut fell off before we noticed- scary stuff.

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Cheddar Saving them pennies... Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Miami, FL Posts: 641 Thanks: 44 Thanked 178 Times in 111 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	I used 5zigen aluminum lugs for over 6 years. Torque to 80 pounds with a torque wrench that gets checked and calibrated every year. Never had any issues. If you don't have a torque wrench you shouldn't be putting them on with a gun or by hand.

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rice_classic Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Nevermorange FRS Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,171 Thanks: 757 Thanked 4,206 Times in 1,807 Posts Mentioned: 78 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I'm going to make pewter lugs nutz... That'd by tyte yo! Pewter is da new bling y'all! :I'm going to go bang my head against the wall now:

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Josh B Buzz Killington Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: A slow truck Location: Virginia Posts: 48 Thanks: 7 Thanked 20 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Aluminum lug nuts are intended to be used only once. When you torque them to the correct setting they stretch, a lot. Personally I don't see the point, just use some quality steel nuts or Ti if you have the money. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

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Ravenlokk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 Raven FR-S Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 265 Thanks: 34 Thanked 68 Times in 47 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I've used Al nuts for my past few cars with no problems, weren't particularly high end, nor were they the cheapest ones available either. Always want to make a point of visually inspecting them for any flaws, and be sure that its snug in the key. Also, as has been stated never over torque! edit add: I also use my impact to throw em on usually because its faster lol, but i'll usually hit em with a tq wrench after for the final tightening... I had a friend in highschool who didnt check tq and almost lost a wheel while driving.. 1 nut fell off before we noticed- scary stuff.

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