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10-05-2022, 04:39 PM | #1 |
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Oil Pan Performance - What Features Do You Want?
For the 2nd Gen owners, what kind of features are at the top of your list when shopping around for a high-performance oil pan? Better baffling? More Capacity? A second drain port for an oil temp sensor? A port for a turbo drain? Anything else?
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10-05-2022, 05:46 PM | #2 |
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If this will fit first gen, put me on the pre order list for whatever this becomes
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Baffling or whatever to keep the oil feed with oil and it doesn't starve in curves
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2. More baffling. But not using rubber/polymer trap door flaps that can break off 3. Able to use stock oil pick up, which i do think is a good light design (at least its not the welded shit of EJ20/25 of old (yes i did buy you KB oil pick up years ago hahah). 4. Ability to use gasket instead of RTV for sealing. 5. Something light enough (cast alu like your EJ20/25 one) and doesnt rust after years. 6. Dun think a bigger or deeper pan is good since it will limit header choice and ground clearance respectively. 7. Dun think a separate bung for oil temp.is necessary since stock already has oil temp sensor, and one can still use the oil gallery or the old Tee off the front of the block for another oil temp sensors (or of cause a sandwich plate). 8. Probably useless but some cast in fins give a nice placebo effect to it giving that bit more cooling for the oil hahaah. |
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OTS Gasket...
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This is one I don't agree on, only because every single Subaru oil pan gasket we've used (and o-ring seals) fails over the long term. That said we do use pans with custom o-ring seals, but only for dyno testing oiling products. It just saves a ton of time when you're pulling the oil pan every 12 pulls over and over and... That said, we've done high end racing oil pans with o-ring seals, but these are engines that get pulled after 3 20-minute rally stages, or after a handful of drag passes. Although, I am open to continue the debate. Additionally, you'd get no less than a pristine sealing surface on our oil pans, and the flange will be much stronger than OEM. What this means is you only need a fractional amount of sealant compared to the OEM pan. The amount of sealant that gets squeezed out between the block and pan is very little compared to OEM. If you've done this a lot (or practice) you can make it so no sealant oozes out at all and it seals just fine. |
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Not sure, but it sounds like you have tried this without success as well though.. |
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Full pan could be a nice option, plug & play
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Is it possible to add a drain that can act as an inspection window for the oil pickup? Like place it so you can look up into the pickup.
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I would be in for an extra plug for oil temps, and extra capacity. Just bring it up so refill when changing oil and the filter is 6 US qts.
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Interesting idea, but I'm not sure I'd want the lowest point (drain) to be at the oil pick-up, especially if you use a magnetic plug (I like to in all my cars) to help collect metal particles..
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Dont have a 2nd gen but I always wished for the following features for the 1st gen oil pan:
-integrated internal multi-tiered baffling to help with oil starvation, with no flappy parts and cutouts for oem pickup -external bottom fins with more surface area for extra oil cooling to help with oil pressure -same dimensions/capacity as Oem to fit aftermarket headers -better/stronger mating design to prevent RTV seeping into the interior when mated -slight bottom angle V slant towards the drain to ensure most oil is drained |
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Coming from the 997 with a deep sump, I'm a fan of increasing capacity. I'd wishlist removable baffle plates, too, for those of us running baffles already.
LRN - valid point, but I'd still rather put the drain plug directly under the oil pick up point so we can throw a bore scope right up there during oil changes to check for clogged RTV. |
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On the magnetic plugs... I know a LOT of people use them, but have you ever actually tested before/after when using one? A company reached out to us (one of the premier brands of magnetic plugs) wanting us to carry and promote their product, but we don't sell anything we don't test ourselves. So, they sent 3 units for us to test, and they went into 3 shop cars. We have oil analysis results on every new can we get, since break-in so we had a good baseline for 'normal'. Every car/engine had worse results when using the magnetic plugs. The results were so different, and across the board for all cars, that I assumed there was another factor at play like season changes or something. So, we repeated the test, but the results were the same. After pulling the plugs out of all the cars, the results went back to their normal range. This testing took ~18 months to complete. I sent our findings to the magnetic plug company and never even got a response back. In the meantime, I've come across other reports from places like Blackstone Labs that had very similar results. Why? I don't know, but here's my best speculation... The magnetic plugs absolutely hold debris. There's no doubt about that, but that debris would normally be caught in the filter (OEM down to 5 micron). A magnet can only hold do much. It doesn't matter how strong your magnet is, there are only so many paper clips you can hang from it. When there is a good bit of debris on that magnet, and you start the car dead cold, some of that debris comes off with the cold thick oil. It then bypasses the oil filter, because the bypass opens at cold start. So, debris that normally would have been trapped by the oil filter, is now freely circulating through the engine, causing additional wear while the oil filter bypass is open. Again, I have zero factual evidence of this, it's just theory. The results were just so compelling and repeatable I feel others would want to hear about it. Quote:
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