CAT removal in the frontpipe, CEL? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Areddi · 08-18-2012, 08:17 AM

Hi guys,

If you remove the cat in the front-pipe, are you going to throw a code in these cars?

In my Miata there is a second downstream O2 sensor whose job is to basically verify that the CAT is there and working. The the upstream O2 sensor does all of the calculations for air/fuel etc. Therefore, if you remove the CAT, you get a code.

I live in MD so we have and OBD emissions check every 2 years, and I want to avoid codes. I want to get rid of the CAT if I can, I know high-flow is an option, but full removal would be preferred.

Has anyone confirmed whether you'll get a code or not yet?

karma003 · 08-18-2012, 08:51 AM

I would assume it would throw a code. Most cars now days have 2 o2 sensors. One to read the exhaust fumes & determine how the motors running. The second to determine how much fumes r being left out as emissions

Don@Accelerated · 08-18-2012, 09:04 AM

Removal of the front cat throws the efficiency code. Its quite annoying and when it happens you'll have idle issues not to mention power loss

Areddi · 08-18-2012, 09:07 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I will stick to cat-backs.

Kochinopride · 08-18-2012, 10:42 AM

Can't you get a CEL eliminator for this? That's what I did with my Elise when I removed the Cat.

Tainen · 08-18-2012, 05:22 PM

Hmmm... There is no o2 sensor after the 2nd cat. You will get no CEL. One before the header cat and one after the header cat.

08-18-2012, 08:17 AM	#1
Areddi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Firestorm FR-S Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 573 Thanks: 83 Thanked 190 Times in 133 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	CAT removal in the frontpipe, CEL? Hi guys, If you remove the cat in the front-pipe, are you going to throw a code in these cars? In my Miata there is a second downstream O2 sensor whose job is to basically verify that the CAT is there and working. The the upstream O2 sensor does all of the calculations for air/fuel etc. Therefore, if you remove the CAT, you get a code. I live in MD so we have and OBD emissions check every 2 years, and I want to avoid codes. I want to get rid of the CAT if I can, I know high-flow is an option, but full removal would be preferred. Has anyone confirmed whether you'll get a code or not yet?

08-18-2012, 08:51 AM	#2
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08-18-2012, 10:42 AM	#5
Kochinopride Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 13 FR-S, 12 CLS AMG, 05 Lotus Elise Location: Edgewater, NJ Posts: 532 Thanks: 103 Thanked 143 Times in 103 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Can't you get a CEL eliminator for this? That's what I did with my Elise when I removed the Cat. __________________ 2005 Lotus Elise 2012 Mercedes Benz CLS AMG 6.3 2013 Scion FR-S 2011 Land Rover LR4 2013 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera Last edited by Kochinopride; 08-18-2012 at 10:43 AM. Reason: Typo

08-18-2012, 05:22 PM	#6
Tainen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: First SWP BRZ-L Location: Washington Posts: 809 Thanks: 154 Thanked 350 Times in 174 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hmmm... There is no o2 sensor after the 2nd cat. You will get no CEL. One before the header cat and one after the header cat. __________________ First white BRZ in the country Limited SWP BRZ, 35% tint, clear bra, Nameless Performance downpipe, axelback, headers

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