RIP Porsche Cayman (going electric in 2025) - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

WolfpackS2k · 09-23-2021, 02:46 PM

Ugh. Kiss another lightweight (by today's standards) interactive sports car good-bye.

Cayman going all electric in 2025. Gaining at least 600 lb and higher trim models will be AWD.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...uture-details/

ZDan · 09-23-2021, 03:03 PM

The internal target weight is under 3650 pounds.

I wish Porsche would try making more minimalist lightweight sports cars rather than oversized and overweight lifestyle accessories that are fast.

It is for sure *possible* to build a small, light(ish)-weight electric sports car. I hope somebody does...

Sapphireho · 09-23-2021, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

The internal target weight is under 3650 pounds.

I wish Porsche would try making more minimalist lightweight sports cars rather than oversized and overweight lifestyle accessories that are fast.

It is for sure *possible* to build q small, light(ish)-weight electric sports car. I hope somebody does...

This is why I really haven't been much of a Porsche fan the last couple decades.

Ohio Enthusiast · 09-23-2021, 03:55 PM

Well, the first Tesla roadster weighed in at under 2900 lbs with a 53 kWh battery and 240 miles of range. Granted, that was somewhat based on a car that weighed under 2000 pounds (the Lotus Elise).
With the new Lotus EV platform also leaning towards the porky side, I kinda doubt we'll ever see a lightweight EV sports car. After Lotus (and Alpine, their partner in crime), my hopes are now on Mazda with a gram-light EV Miata...

Coaster · 09-23-2021, 04:02 PM

battery tech is improving and I expect it to be a good car.

ScoobsMcGee · 09-23-2021, 04:21 PM

So what you're saying is that if someone does want to get a GT4, they have 4 years until the prices completely explode. More so than they already have.

86league · 09-23-2021, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

It is for sure *possible* to build a small, light(ish)-weight electric sports car. I hope somebody does...

Will be interesting to see what Lotus comes up with : https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09...c-sports-cars/

And to see if this is all just talk like their previous announcement of multiple cars. They at least have Geely money now.

DarkSunrise · 09-23-2021, 05:11 PM

Sad but long as the ND2 convertible and 86 coupe exist, I’m a happy camper. I’ll be much more sad when those two inevitably get electrified or axed.

Dirty Harry · 09-23-2021, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

It is for sure *possible* to build a small, light(ish)-weight electric sports car. I hope somebody does...

Lotus will won’t they?

Dirty Harry · 09-23-2021, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 86league

Will be interesting to see what Lotus comes up with : https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09...c-sports-cars/

And to see if this is all just talk like their previous announcement of multiple cars. They at least have Geely money now.

Beat me to it…

Captain Snooze · 09-23-2021, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

It is for sure *possible* to build a small, light(ish)-weight electric sports car. I hope somebody does...

This is something I notice with the current line up of EVs. They are either boring white goods shopping trolleys or expensive (relative statement I know) luxury items. There are no EV BRZ equivalents atm.

Kiske · 09-23-2021, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

So what you're saying is that if someone does want to get a GT4, they have 4 years until the prices completely explode. More so than they already have.

They are already crazy.

PorscheUnlimited16 · 09-23-2021, 11:17 PM

Sold my 16 gt4 for the price I paid almost with 30k miles on it. Once electrified, sports cars sub 3000 lbs will be a thing of the distant past. Current battery tech is just too heavy.

nikitopo · 09-24-2021, 01:20 AM

Previous generation Cayman was a comparison model for the first generation 86/BRZ. The performance gap was not that big, but when the 718 came out the difference went huge cause of the turbo. I expect a similar situation will happen with the new Cayman and the second generation 86/BRZ. Porsche is always one step ahead.

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