(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[nashcarr]

Originally Posted by ThaBigUnit

Here's your quote Tada in Motor1 as you requested to see.

Not sure why you're so upset. I'm simply informing this group of the information that was passed on to me that no one has heard of. It's coming straight from a Toyota Corporate employee with 35 years experience, who has direct communication with the team who's building the next gen 86. Take the information as you will. But come back and apologize when I'm right. Cheers

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"BETTER to drive" does not mean MORE power than the Supra. My 2020 86 is better to drive than my 2010 GR STi Cobb Stage 2 was, hands down. I do miss that turbo punch tho!

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nashcarr

"BETTER to drive" does not mean MORE power than the Supra. My 2020 86 is better to drive than my 2010 GR STi Cobb Stage 2 was, hands down. I do miss that turbo punch tho!

My NA 2017 86 is more fun than my old 2015 stage 2 STI.

My AVO Turbo 86 shits all over the STI, both performance and fun wise.

[Coaster]

Autocar update:

their future had been in doubt because of relatively low sales. But both companies have committed to developing a replacement, with the Toyota version a key part of the brand’s growing performance car line-up.

so Autocar understands the new model is set to be built on Toyota’s TNGA platform.

While Toyota underpinnings will be used, Subaru is expected to once again take the lead with powertrain development. Autocar understands the car is likely to retain a flat-four ‘Boxer’ engine, with reports in Japan suggesting that the existing 2.0-litre naturally aspirated unit will be switched for the turbocharged 2.4-litre powerplant currently used in the Ascent, Legacy and Outback models.


That engine produces 255bhp in the Ascent, a figure that would represent a significant upgrade on the outgoing model’s output. Forced induction would also provide a substantial torque upgrade over the old car, too, providing a draw for those who weren’t satisfied with the performance of the outgoing GT86 and BRZ. Both brands may wish to retain the drivability and character of a naturally aspirated unit, but this needs to be balanced with what buyers are demanding – and that appears to be the on-tap grunt of a turbocharged unit.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...way-more-power

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by Coaster

Autocar update:




https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...way-more-power

With the new name of GR86.

[HachiRokuX]

If we’re really getting a factory turbo for the next gen model, I will upgrade in 2022.


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[ThaBigUnit]

Originally Posted by Coaster

Autocar update:




https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...way-more-power

As I started this thread on Dec 20th and stated these exact details... WHERE'S MY APOLOGIES FROM THOSE WHO DOUBTED AND TALKED CRAP

You're welcome Forum

Again should still be more HP (around 280) and the Subaru version will be the only one to offer a turbo version. Toyota version will not (for now)

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[J1Avs]

That report sites zero sources except a “report”. Furthermore, they even say they themselves, “Autocar understands” it will use the TNGA. Why do they “understand”? That leads me to believe whatever “report” they have was up to interpretation and that’s what they are interpreting it as.

It could all be right, and it could not. Everyone has been speculating the FA24 since it rolled out into the ascent. It’s not new speculation.

We shall see. If Dave-ROR is accurate on when production is kicking off, we should see something this year.

[ThaBigUnit]

Originally Posted by J1Avs

That report sites zero sources except a “report”. Furthermore, they even say they themselves, “Autocar understands” it will use the TNGA. Why do they “understand”? That leads me to believe whatever “report” they have was up to interpretation and that’s what they are interpreting it as.

It could all be right, and it could not. Everyone has been speculating the FA24 since it rolled out into the ascent. It’s not new speculation.

We shall see. If Dave-ROR is accurate on when production is kicking off, we should see something this year.

Damn, such a hater. I'll keep my insider info to myself from now on. Apparently it's not appreciated in this forum. Cheers

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[KR-S]

Originally Posted by ThaBigUnit

Damn, such a hater. I'll keep my insider info to myself from now on. Apparently it's not appreciated in this forum. Cheers

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No hate here, just justified skepticism. You and your insider are not official sources of information, so obviously the majority of users here will take your info with a grain of salt.

Don't take it personal, or do. You do you.

[ichitaka05]

Can't say much on this matter... but I'm not looking into next gen 86/BRZ. A lot of engineers and staffs were laughing behind the back of Tada-san and other staffs thinking it's never gonna sell. Now it sold like crazy, higher up and other ppl want something out of it from next gen 86/BRZ and adding and killing off characters. Not 100% sure Tada-san is part of 2nd gen project either, he might be assigned to different project.

...but hey, take this as a grain of salt. I'm not insider, so I only know limited info.

[J1Avs]

Originally Posted by ThaBigUnit

Damn, such a hater. I'll keep my insider info to myself from now on. Apparently it's not appreciated in this forum. Cheers

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I'm not "hating" on you, you are just extra defensive, because no one took your information at face-value. It's 2020, anyone can write anything on the internet saying just about anything and claiming anyone on the planet is their source. We've heard all these things since 2018, it's not necessarily new or ground-breaking theories.

Now, what is more frustrating is when a publication deliberately publishes unconfirmed information by leveraging click-bait titles and fancy-made pictures, well-knowing the internet will think that's the real car and all those speculations are fact. Why is this? Because it gets them attention. It's also because the general public doesn't understand the nuances of semantics, nor do they care enough to really read something to call BS. Autocar very thoroughly covers their asses, by referencing a vague, non-specific source; and by leveraging terms such as, "so Autocar understands," "Autocar understands the car is likely to retain," "Both brands may wish to retain," "Toyota and Subaru will also want to improve the aesthetic." They even reference the pictures as their own renderings.

But as we have all seen over the last 36 hours on the forums, on instagram, and on all the internet publications this story has been run as FACT. As I said, it could all be factual, but without proper source validation, or even the publication identifying a probability/likelihood scale, it's still pure speculation and their choice of words reflects just that.

No offense, but your credibility as a source is about the same as some random individual walking into police station, FBI office, or embassy claiming whatever they want. Without proper validation of your connection to your source, and that source's placement and access, the general collective has no basis for trusting your information.

In the age we live in where control of information is to the control of the hearts and minds of the public, true and validated information is critical, not speculation hidden behind nuances and weasel words.

End Rant.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by ThaBigUnit

As I started this thread on Dec 20th and stated these exact details... WHERE'S MY APOLOGIES FROM THOSE WHO DOUBTED AND TALKED CRAP

Calm down. The info you posted in Dec 2019 was vague and did not contain any specific details other than the FA24 engine, which is very old speculation at this point (that possibility has been floating around the forums for a year or more).

Apart from already old FA24 speculation, your OP literally contained no other details contained in the Autocar article. You said nothing about TNGA (which is also old speculation at this point), the name GR86 (that is new), or anything else. No offence, but nothing about your post suggests insider info.

Also, your original claim that...

The BRZ Version will be the only one that will have an optional turbocharger

...does not pass the logic test. Why would Toyota commit sales seppuku that way? No-one would buy the 86 if the BRZ is the only one with a turbo. The BRZ would take the lion share of sales in such a scenario because most buyers will go straight for the turbo version with significantly more stock power and torque. Toyota are not that stupid.

If we apply some common sense, the most likely scenarios are:

1) Both the BRZ and 86 share the same turbo charged engine
2) Neither of them are turbocharged, both remain NA
3) Both are offered in two engine grades, a budget NA base version and a more expensive turbo variant.

[Dirty Harry]

Looks like the Supra 4 cylinder version is going to have 192KW (257hp), which is very near the FA24 turbo motor power output. I’d say a FA24 turbo in an 86/BRZ would be unlikely if this is the case.

https://www.motoring.com.au/lighter-...tailed-122430/

They’re quoting Toyota, not saying a “report” or “inside source” etc. I assume this is the 4 cylinder Supra spec.

[86MLR]

Official view of division 7 from the "Ministry of public enlightenment and propaganda" is.....the FA24 and its gearbox will fit easily into my 2017 86.

And..... I will need no additional parts to install the AVO turbo currently residing with my FA20 onto the FA24 if it only comes NA.

My insider is "Paul Joseph Goebbels" so you know it's true.....