2022+ Ecu cracked?!

[Lincoln Logs]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

That noise is from the parts that don't even improve power output. The torque curve with the header looks pretty nice imo.

Midrange is nice, but not nice enough to bother with the noise/money.

Originally Posted by DocWalt

My car with the CSG exhaust is not "stock" but is plenty quiet enough to not be obnoxious, especially inside the cabin. Leaving the stock catback you barely notice the header at all.

I'd run a nice cutback on these like CSG, Thermal or other too. Stock exhaust can't be heard in the new gen and the artificial sound is meh.

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Do you think the ACE header will be on par with the JDL as they were on the last gen?

If ACE brings one to market, who is really going to buy it at the astronomical price they'll sell it for. JDL is at the top end of what people will actually pay. ACE also started having cracking issues on their last gen header if I remember correctly too.

[MacSpeed]

Originally Posted by Lincoln Logs

Midrange is nice, but not nice enough to bother with the noise/money.



I'd run a nice cutback on these like CSG, Thermal or other too. Stock exhaust can't be heard in the new gen and the artificial sound is meh.



If ACE brings one to market, who is really going to buy it at the astronomical price they'll sell it for. JDL is at the top end of what people will actually pay. ACE also started having cracking issues on their last gen header if I remember correctly too.

I asked ACE last week if they plan to update the header at all for the FA24 and they said not through 2023 at least. I tried buying a used ACE last week too but dude ghosted me when asking for pics of the welds. Haven't seen someone try that header on a FA24 yet.

[dragoontwo]

If ACE brings one to market, who is really going to buy it at the astronomical price they'll sell it for. JDL is at the top end of what people will actually pay. ACE also started having cracking issues on their last gen header if I remember correctly too.

I wasn't asking about a revised version. I have one left over from my first gen with no cracks.

[DocWalt]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Do you think the ACE header will be on par with the JDL as they were on the last gen?

I'm sure. They had adequate runner diameters and a good design.

Originally Posted by Lincoln Logs

Midrange is nice, but not nice enough to bother with the noise/money.



I'd run a nice cutback on these like CSG, Thermal or other too. Stock exhaust can't be heard in the new gen and the artificial sound is meh.



If ACE brings one to market, who is really going to buy it at the astronomical price they'll sell it for. JDL is at the top end of what people will actually pay. ACE also started having cracking issues on their last gen header if I remember correctly too.

I cannot recommend the JDL header enough, seriously. I got mine used for quite a discount from a racing buddy but even new I'd do a header before a catback all day long for similar pricing. It amps up the noise "enough" and the extra mid range power is awesome.

That said, the CSG catback has also been great. I hate the tips so I've been messing with other tips and my first one had quality issues but they replaced it hassle free. I had the Perrin catback and the drone with the UEL header was unbearable around town after a while, IMO.

[DocWalt]

Back to the tuning topic... I've got ~100 miles of all sorts of driving on the tune from Xero-Limit now, did some data logging and all is going well. Car feels awesome, powerband is smoother and it feels more responsive/sharper as well as being clearly quicker. Sounds a little more aggressive too which is cool, but none of that weird intake rasp that you'd get on some of the first gen tunes without a header.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Lincoln Logs

Midrange is nice, but not nice enough to bother with the noise/money.

This is where I'm at as well.

I think if there was a way to separate the noise, and you could do back-to-back tests, most people wouldn't actually notice 10/lb-ft in the midrange if they didn't know it from looking at a dyno.

The old placebo effect.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

This is where I'm at as well.

I think if there was a way to separate the noise, and you could do back-to-back tests, most people wouldn't actually notice 10/lb-ft in the midrange if they didn't know it from looking at a dyno.

The old placebo effect.

I don’t think the placebo effect is applicable to verified dyno results.lol Also it seems both you fellas missed the dyno clip posted on page 8. 232whp on 93oct. Hardly louder than stock. 😎

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

I don’t think the placebo effect is applicable to verified dyno results.lol Also it seems both you fellas missed the dyno clip posted on page 8. 232whp on 93oct. Hardly louder than stock. ��

Youse dun't reed reeel guud does ya feller?

I said if you didn't know the car made 10ft-lb more midrange, I don't think you'd notice. You know, actually driving the car.

But I realize many people care more about bench racing and thinking they have the feel of an F1 driver.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Youse dun't reed reeel guud does ya feller?

I said if you didn't know the car made 10ft-lb more midrange, I don't think you'd notice. You know, actually driving the car.

But I realize many people care more about bench racing and thinking they have the feel of an F1 driver.

I read well enough to understand you are full of shit. Lol

A 10ftlb avg increase is what an E85 tune typically adds over 91/93 on the Gen1. According to you no one would notice the difference which we know is a lie. Adding an UEL header and tune clearly documented to fill in the torque dip on the previous gen ~10ftlbs right where one daily drives. Again it would be and is incredibly obvious in comparison to the OEM tune. You evidently wouldn’t notice your car making an extra 20whp but most would. Obviously some fellas going to be more hamfisted than others.

Still not the placebo effect.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

I read well enough to understand you are full of shit. Lol

A 10ftlb avg increase is what an E85 tune typically adds over 91/93 on the Gen1. According to you no one would notice the difference which we know is a lie. Adding an UEL header and tune clearly documented to fill in the torque dip on the previous gen ~10ftlbs right where one daily drives. Again it would be and is incredibly obvious in comparison to the OEM tune. You evidently wouldn’t notice your car making an extra 20whp but most would. Obviously some fellas going to be more hamfisted than others.

Still not the placebo effect.

Ok bro. I'm completely wrong, you're completely right.

[DocWalt]

I drove my car with & without the header and now with the tune. The header was pretty huge even stock tune, it filled in the torque "dip" that's present stock. The tune smoothed things out even more and added some aggression and it noticeably makes more power.

I don't think it's like a first gen where a header was more important than a tune, it seems like tune only gets you a lot of smoothness and fills in the torque dip well. A header doesn't really add anything up top on this gen.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by DocWalt

I drove my car with & without the header and now with the tune. The header was pretty huge even stock tune, it filled in the torque "dip" that's present stock. The tune smoothed things out even more and added some aggression and it noticeably makes more power.

I don't think it's like a first gen where a header was more important than a tune, it seems like tune only gets you a lot of smoothness and fills in the torque dip well. A header doesn't really add anything up top on this gen.

Those are healthy numbers though. At least 40 more horse at peak than a 93 tune on a first gen. The torque difference over first gen follows suit. I wonder what the power blocks would do if tuned in properly?

[eyeballs]

Originally Posted by DocWalt

I drove my car with & without the header and now with the tune. The header was pretty huge even stock tune, it filled in the torque "dip" that's present stock. The tune smoothed things out even more and added some aggression and it noticeably makes more power.

I don't think it's like a first gen where a header was more important than a tune, it seems like tune only gets you a lot of smoothness and fills in the torque dip well. A header doesn't really add anything up top on this gen.

Yup. When I added JDL EL + OP the low-midrange bump was quite noticeable, though top end felt no different. Funny thing is, I still run with the fake sound because even with a JDL catted/resonated front pipe and CSG catback the car is ridiculously quiet. This is on the stock tune. Hopefully soon I can get a tune on it.

By the way, if you're still looking for less obnoxious tips, check out the black chrome mxp tips. They're pricy but look very nice in the stock cutouts, especially if you trim the muffler exit pipes a bit to keep the tips flush with the bumper.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Those are healthy numbers though. At least 40 more horse at peak than a 93 tune on a first gen. The torque difference over first gen follows suit. I wonder what the power blocks would do if tuned in properly?

For a second I misunderstood the first part of your post. As for a proper tune, it seems the 2nd gen just have a small amount to gain with a header and a tune. But not much peak.