(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

EXACTLY. Nobody here believes me when I tell them that the guys that mod are the minority around here. Next is in California though so the ratio of modded to stock could be very different there.

There is definitely a regional variance in the number of modded cars (southern California has a very strong car culture...) - and of course a sampling bias in that the modded cars tend to attract more attention so they seem like a higher percentage to enthusiasts.

The particular car was the same color as mine too, which probably contributed to its effect on me!

[Yoshoobaroo]

I also think there’s a big difference in how many stock 13s are out there compared to how many clean stock 13s are out there.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

EXACTLY. Nobody here believes me when I tell them that the guys that mod are the minority around here. Next is in California though so the ratio of modded to stock could be very different there.

In Santa Rosa, California we have like half a dozen guys with rocketbunny/wide body kits for a fairly small city/town. Many I see have modifications from the small/cheap to the large/expensive. Completely stock older 86s are rare--newer ones are more common.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I also think there’s a big difference in how many stock 13s are out there compared to how many clean stock 13s are out there.

Well, if by "clean stock" you mean "like new" probably zero if they were driven at all. Most need a hood respray at minimum.

[Red-86]

None of the renders I’ve seen appeal to me. The twins seems to be a car that peaked early styling wise - the 2013-15s still look the best, the facelift didn’t help matters.

Honestly hard to get excited about an uglier MkII that is more expensive and offers up just 20HP extra for nearly 10 years of automotive progress whilst no doubt increasing in price.

[Lantanafrs2]

It all depends on which render you want to believe based on phoney "reports".

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, if by "clean stock" you mean "like new" probably zero if they were driven at all. Most need a hood respray at minimum.

I feel targeted. My hood developed a 1/4” oxidized spot over the past 6 months, and the spoiler is starting to look hazy. Gonna spend some time cutting and polishing this weekend.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Red-86

None of the renders I’ve seen appeal to me. The twins seems to be a car that peaked early styling wise - the 2013-15s still look the best, the facelift didn’t help matters.

Honestly hard to get excited about an uglier MkII that is more expensive and offers up just 20HP extra for nearly 10 years of automotive progress whilst no doubt increasing in price.

I think the facelift on the 86 wasn’t the best (no offence to +17 86 owners ), but the facelift on the BRZ was an improvement. All subjective of course.

[nashcarr]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

At the rate we are seeing them get wrecked it will be one of a kind before I know it!

Only 150 manual transmission Hakone sent to USA.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nashcarr

Only 150 manual transmission Hakone sent to USA.

15 in Canada. 30% of the 50 total. A quick internet search didn't turn up a single Hakone in stock in Canada. All that the dealerships have is the normal Toyota features page.

[fitcious]

Is having only TRD parts on it considered ‘stock’? Haha

Btw, lets say next gen isn’t turbo- will our current gens hold value?

[nikitopo]

I am not sure if they can make a next generation anymore. This year the BRZ pricing was increased by 15% in Europe. Reason was that EU is targeting on average a 95 grams of CO2 per kilometer, an objective that Subaru couldn't meet. So, they had to pay a fine of 95 euros for every extra gram of CO2 and the biggest part of this was transferred to the consumers.

I am sure that Subaru will have similar problems in other regions with the continuously stricter emission rules. If not now, for sure in the near future.

Article here: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...zmhX5sXhg2hfyE

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by ThaBigUnit

First, I use to be pretty active on this form back when I owned the very first year FR-S (The best car I ever owned), but since I've had to move on to the SUV gang. Miss you all

However, I'm visiting a family member who's worked at Toyota Corporate/headquarters for 35 years. Not sure if this information has been talked about, but he has informed me on the following regarding the second generation FR-S/BRZ

-He has seen early renders and said they look incredible
- The engine will be borrowed the current Subaru Ascent (2.4L, 4-cyclinder)
- however will be bumped up to 280hp (vs 260hp in the base Ascent)
-The BRZ Version will be the only one that will have an optional turbocharger. Unknown if Toyota will offer later

I'll try and get more info out of my family member. But thoughts? Has this info already been discovered or discussed?

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So.........how's your friend going?

[RToyo86]

Originally Posted by fitcious

Is having only TRD parts on it considered ‘stock’? Haha

Btw, lets say next gen isn’t turbo- will our current gens hold value?

Depends how the car is recieved I imagine. If it's a far enough departure from the current platform and people don't like it then it will benefit "us" with current gen cars.

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Our local FT86 community is pretty strong. Good mix of modified cars and stock ones. I see as many stock as modified cars around town. A few "interestingly* modified cars.

Mine currently looks mostly stock while I wait for ARP studs. Only visual things are a black lip, and mudflaps, and some shiny looking exhaust tips.