Bought the car today! Quick questions

[kch]

Originally Posted by Ryan_86

Can you explain what you mean?

It's just his opinion. Lots of people (me included) like the UEL sound. I've had my header for over a year and I still love it.

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[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by CatScan

Disclaimer: I'm no expert!

No worries. The ECU will figure it out and adjust to the minor difference. You can either flash the 91 tune or just take it easy until you can put the good stuff in. I run the 91 octane tune, and when I screw up my fuel planning and have to put local 87 in, runs just fine. I just don't beat on it until I can run the 87 out. I watch the numbers on the OFT, and the ECU does it's job dealing with the "bad" gas.

Do not, though, run gas on the E85 tune or the other way around. Running rich is OK, but lean will be a bad thing.

You might find that with what you have, just the OFT will be all you need to get what you want. E85 is just a James May "fizz".

Added: No, I'm not advocating running 87 octane because the car runs fine.

Congrats on the car, too. It's a little rough diamond. The better you get at driving it, the more you find it can do.

DO NOT RUN 87 with the 91 OCTANE TUNE or 93 OCTANE tune, the fuel trims go whack with the tune, it's not as lenient as the stock tune. Once IAMs drop to 0 which they will your putting the bottom end of the engine under extreme stress. Repeatedly doing this will put the car at risk.

Originally Posted by Ryan_86

What if I get UEL headers and run the OFT Stage 2 UEL 93 Octane tune? Of course I would always use 93 when I can, but in emergency situations if 93 isnt available, would it be bad to run non 93 with that tune on if I had too?

OFT is easy it takes 5 minutes to flash back to 91 or the stock tune, you should run 91 or 93 depending on what tune you run. You won't really run into a station without 91 in texas. Run 93 as much as possible

Originally Posted by CatScan

Runs just fine on 91, too. 87 as well, if you have to.

This is a fallacy once again only run 87 as the last resort if 91 or 93 is not available, once again the engine cannot correct for knock below 91

Originally Posted by Ryan_86

ok I agree just get the headers, the borla axleback the car came with sounds good already.

Originally Posted by Ryan_86

plenty in Houston, and Texas from what I have seen so far.

Originally Posted by Ryan_86

I feel like this install after looking at some videos isnt too terribly difficult, would you recommend the overpipe and all the extras? or just the headers, then stock pipes all the way to the axle back system already on the car from the dealer?

also, been looking around, cant really find a place to buy these online....

Only get the header and OFT you can buy the gruppe s here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81839
Just pm the original poster @Gruppe-s


For the OFT you purchase it on the openflash site:

http://www.openflashtablet.com/shop/oft-frs-brz-gt86/

All you do is flash the OFH tune from there website when you get it, run 93 only, if you come to an area with only 91 flash to the 91 octane stage 2 tune. It's that simple


Also to the person speaking about UELs getting old fast, it's just his sound preference honestly, the difference in UEL vs EL is top end power and it's minimal at that in a street application like yours

[CatScan]

Sigh. I never said run 87 all the time. Do you honestly believe that less than optimal crap like 87 octane gas was never planned for when they designed the thing?

Please post factual information that a tank of 87 octane to get you home will destroy an FA20.

Odd, not once have I had my IAM "drop to 0 which they will" when running an limp-home tank of 87 or what was supposedly gasoline from an East Overshoe Idaho 91 octane pump.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by CatScan

Sigh. I never said run 87 all the time. Do you honestly believe that crap 87 octane gas was never planned for when they designed the thing?

Please post factual information that a tank of 87 octane to get you home will destroy an FA20.

Odd, not once have I had my IAM "drop to 0 which they will" when running an limp-home tank of 87.

Post datalogs showing that, I'm not turning this into one of those stupid debates, 87 octane will not run at all well if you do it with an Openflash tune as you suggested ask @steve99 , @Wayno, @Shiv@Openflash, those are people that know this engine much better than you do. Also I didn't say you did but you adamantly post all over this forum that you "limp home" quite a bit

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Also I didn't say you did but you adamantly post all over this forum that you "limp home" quite a bit

I'll eat crow when you post hard facts that 87 will drop the bottom end out of your car. Not that anal to keep a log all the time, sorry. Watching the numbers if I'm concerned is enough, as is the warning. I also have the mystical ability to not drive like a dumbass when burning garbage. Emptied of E85, stuck with 87, 91 octane tune. No 0 on IAM. Am I doing it wrong? Proving "always" or "never" is on you. I freely admit to gooning up my fuel planning, especially when using E85.

Added: 87 octane is almost a troll post.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by CatScan

I'll eat crow when you post hard facts that 87 will drop the bottom end out of your car. Not that anal to keep a log all the time, sorry. Watching the numbers if I'm concerned is enough, as is the warning. Emptied of E85, stuck with 87 to get to 91 150 miles away, 91 octane tune. No 0 on IAM. Am I doing it wrong? Proving "always" or "never" is on you.

Added: 87 octane is almost a troll post.

I never said it'll drop the bottom end out I said repeatedly doing it puts unnecessary wear on it. Next time I'm in the car I'm not going to put 87 in my car and datalog maybe you should because you like using it so much. You have a penchant for making false claims about fuels I'm done here.


Also I should mention there have been 91 octane fuels that drop the IAM as well......

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

You won't really run into a station without 91 in texas.

Texas is too big a state to be able to say that. If you go up into the High Plains, you can find yourself out of gas in shitty little towns with nothing but an Alon station with 89 as the highest grade. The 89 will behave slightly better up there at that altitude, but they're really not high up enough to justify running the lower octane. If you come down from there with that stuff in your tank your performance will really turn to crap.

Also, not all 91 is created equal. Sunoco has apparently bought out all the Chevron stations between Odessa/Midland and the Rio Grande Valley, pulled the 93 and replaced it with Sunoco 91, which is mostly pig urine. Based on how it performs, I refuse to believe their 91 is any better than 89 at a good station. I have run 91 before with little effect, but that Sunoco crap made the car sluggish as hell.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

I never said it'll drop the bottom end out I said repeatedly doing it puts unnecessary wear on it. Next time I'm in the car I'm not going to put 87 in my car and datalog maybe you should because you like using it so much. You have a penchant for making false claims about fuels I'm done here.

Also I should mention there have been 91 octane fuels that drop the IAM as well......

I never said 91/93 or E85 won't drop IAM. IAM is a variable depending on a number of conditions, I assume you know what that means.

Accepted. I shall run a tank of my local goat piss and log every trip. Is English a problem for you? I don't like "using it so much".

Where is your hard proof regarding sub 91 octane being beyond the ECU's ability to deal with regardless of software tune?

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by CatScan

I never said 91/93 or E85 won't drop IAM. IAM is a variable depending on a number of conditions, I assume you know what that means.

Accepted. I shall run a tank of my local goat piss and log every trip.

Where is your hard proof regarding sub 91 octane being beyond the ECU's ability to deal with regardless of software tune?

It is has happened several times to people, someone will post a datalog here. I'm not getting into a debate of whether or not its good to run 87 you run your piss water.

[Wayno]

Oft 91 will run fine on 87.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

It is has happened several times to people, someone will post a datalog here. I'm not getting into a debate of whether or not its good to run 87 you run your piss water.

Why so angry? I have run 87 octane (against my will) in my car and have never seen 0 on IAM on my OFT.

You are the one who is adamant that 87 octane will always drive IAM to zero and result in damage.

Post proof. No anger involved.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by Wayno

Oft 91 will run fine on 87.

US and Australia use different rating methods, I'm sure you knew that FRSBRZGT86FAN. Or are you saying I'm correct?

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Texas is too big a state to be able to say that. If you go up into the High Plains, you can find yourself out of gas in shitty little towns with nothing but an Alon station with 89 as the highest grade. The 89 will behave slightly better up there at that altitude, but they're really not high up enough to justify running the lower octane. If you come down from there with that stuff in your tank your performance will really turn to crap.

Also, not all 91 is created equal. Sunoco has apparently bought out all the Chevron stations between Odessa/Midland and the Rio Grande Valley, pulled the 93 and replaced it with Sunoco 91, which is mostly pig urine. Based on how it performs, I refuse to believe their 91 is any better than 89 at a good station. I have run 91 before with little effect, but that Sunoco crap made the car sluggish as hell.

How odd that FRSBRZGT86FAN is liking these posts showing that the car will indeed run on less than optimal gas and not ass-plode yet pisses on me. Do not go to a real mountain state, FRSBRZGT86FAN, for you will surely die. Can you say "variable" which the ECU can handle within reason, assuming the person behind the wheel is not a dumbass?

OP, this always happens here. Drive YOUR car to the best of YOUR ability, mod it to YOUR hearts content. YOUR happiness is all that matters. Some of these clowns are just wrong, but whatever.

Added: EL is the way to go, don't be a stereotype tard.
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[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by CatScan

How odd that FRSBRZGT86FAN is liking these posts showing that the car will indeed run on less than optimal gas and not ass-plode yet pisses on me. Do not go to a real mountain state, FRSBRZGT86FAN, for you will surely die. Can you say "variable" which the ECU can handle within reason, assuming the person behind the wheel is not a dumbass?

OP, this always happens here. Drive YOUR car to the best of YOUR ability, mod it to YOUR hearts content. YOUR happiness is all that matters. Some of these clowns are just wrong, but whatever.

Added: EL is the way to go, don't be a sterotype tard.

Someones angry.....