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Old 02-01-2016, 10:32 PM   #15
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If you aren't getting proper airflow through your radiator, that sounds like a design problem. Fans are a bandaid to the real problem. I am talking theory and real world experience. I have seen many many many racecars running without fans around the track. It is about proper airflow.

I am not saying fans won't fix an issue, but fans will not outflow normal flow through a radiator.
Please, tell that to Subaru/Toyota, because I'd love to have more cooling from the factory! The car is already overcooled as it is. It's only with FI, and with hard driving, that cooling becomes an issue. I'd say the cooling on this car is actually exceptionally well done for a $27k car, given that it's reasonably well ducted, with air guides, and even foam to fill the gaps, from the factory. Very little air going in the front opening, that isn't going into the intake, escapes around the radiator.

We have an FMIC, 2 oil coolers, and AC condenser in front of our intercooler. An FMIC or heat exchanger + 1 oil cooler + AC Condenser is the most common configuration we see, and unfortunately with that much restriction, you don't get anywhere near the flow you need to keep cool at the track.
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:09 AM   #16
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If you aren't getting proper airflow through your radiator, that sounds like a design problem. Fans are a bandaid to the real problem. I am talking theory and real world experience. I have seen many many many racecars running without fans around the track. It is about proper airflow.

I am not saying fans won't fix an issue, but fans will not outflow normal flow through a radiator.
Lol the car came from the factory with horrible air flow.
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@CSG Mike Thats a really nice design. Only question is where does the water go when it rains? Does it go inside? Thanks
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Old 02-02-2016, 10:22 AM   #18
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So are these any different than the S2000 ones? @Reaper installed the S2000 ones on his car. I am considering a set for my S2000 as well.
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@CSG Mike Thats a really nice design. Only question is where does the water go when it rains? Does it go inside? Thanks
If you're parked in the rain, then yes, it would just drip inside. If you're racing in the rain, then you'd actually see water going in through the front of the car through the opening fly out through the vents.

A cover is in the works for cars that are being parked in the rain, but the covers are *not* designed to stay on the car when the car is being raced.
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So are these any different than the S2000 ones? @Reaper installed the S2000 ones on his car. I am considering a set for my S2000 as well.
While the same basic theories apply, the exact shape and dimensions are slightly different.

We have the S2000 vents too, but for pure cooling purposes, they're interchangeable (but not ideal).
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Hey Mike, it's Gilbert.

Think we can make these fit with the VIS AMS Hood? If you have dimensions of the placement, I can measure it up.



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Old 02-02-2016, 04:09 PM   #22
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Wow! yeah, I guess the CSG car wouldn't have cooling issues.


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Lol the car came from the factory with horrible air flow.
The hood lifts at speed and vibrates quite a bit. The Trackspec louvers caused the hood to suction to the body and required us to make changes to the wing angle to compensate for the aero bias. This is quite different from all the different vented hoods we have worked with for this particular platform.
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So I just got my set in today and the kit looks great. Well detailed instructions with solid card stock templates to setup cut lines for this. Will post pictures and more this weekend when I do the install.
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So glad you guys are selling these. I expect to purchase soon since summer is approaching.
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Hey Mike, it's Gilbert.

Think we can make these fit with the VIS AMS Hood? If you have dimensions of the placement, I can measure it up.



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The placement might get a little tough especially with those vents you have on your hood already. We'll get some measurements when time permits.
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Old 02-02-2016, 06:56 PM   #27
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Think we can make these fit with the VIS AMS Hood? If you have dimensions of the placement, I can measure it up.



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The leading edge is 11.0" wide, increasing to 14.2" wide at the trailing edge. The inner edge is 19.1" long, while the outer edge is 19.55" long.

This is assuming that the rounded corners are actually "sharp" edges for the sake of measurement.
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The leading edge is 11.0" wide, increasing to 14.2" wide at the trailing edge. The inner edge is 19.1" long, while the outer edge is 19.55" long.

This is assuming that the rounded corners are actually "sharp" edges for the sake of measurement.
Looks like it'll fit by cutting out the bottom two vents. Want to ship me a set so I can try?
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