The 86 on Toyota's Chopping Block ? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

CraigVM · 11-08-2018, 10:35 PM

This story was on my phones news feed.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...ime-candidates

DarkPira7e · 11-08-2018, 11:02 PM

I'm surprised we've gotten 7 years out of it so far. This -is- a partnership deal, how long do you think Subaru will supply Toyota parts for their line up? There's no use keeping it around longer if they're not changing anything. They know it's time to devote 100% to their next project.

Not that any of this is factual, all here-say

HachiRokuX · 11-08-2018, 11:03 PM

If they have no changes planned, just let it die I guess. And I think the 86 is a great gateway drug into the sports car world.

Edit: I’m just mad, don’t mind me lol. I want a second gen with a larger engine but otherwise I’m just gonna be mad.

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TooSlow · 11-09-2018, 12:29 AM

I'll be sad if the 86 was axed, but then maybe the value will hold up / increase over time?

m.box.design · 11-09-2018, 12:59 AM

As long as they chop the roof into a targa top.

cyde01 · 11-09-2018, 01:05 AM

So glad i got mine while it's still available!

extrashaky · 11-09-2018, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigVM

The 86 on Toyota's Chopping Block ?

Man I certainly hope so, since it will mean an end to these golden showers of clickbait articles speculating that Toyota is going to discontinue the 86.

jbsali · 11-09-2018, 02:19 AM

I hope it gets chopped. This is one the best cars I've ever owned and plan on making it a weekend vehicle at some point. Not having a "better version" available will help me sleep at night! no, 2020 supra doesnt count...

86MLR · 11-09-2018, 03:41 AM

The king (86) is dead, long live the king (Supra)

bkharmony · 11-09-2018, 11:20 AM

Toyota wants to simplify their lineup. Subaru is bleeding money at a painful rate. Doesn't look good for the continuation of the FT86, and really doesn't look good for a second generation.

But the fact is - no one knows. If Toyota is stubborn, they can tell Subaru to keep cranking them out. And remember, at this point, the car is developed and pretty much "finished." It's just pure profit now (even if it's a small profit).

I think this probably means we won't get a second gen.

Rampage · 11-09-2018, 11:32 AM

Make way for more SUVs, cross-overs and pick-up trucks! Woo-hoo!

CatDaddysBBQ · 11-09-2018, 11:36 AM

Can't wait for the 2024 GT86-Cross (like that horrid mitsubishi Eclipse CUV).

Atmo · 11-09-2018, 11:51 AM

Considering the Automotive News source and understanding that Lentz is first and foremost a finance guy, the speculation may hold up.

It's also been said by other Toyota execs that going forward, cars and crossovers will be built on TNGA platforms. That's a problem for Subaru that most likely wouldn't be allowed to retool for TNGA and isn't profitable enough to consider it anyway.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/tnga/

Besides, the TNGA C segment platform may not be able to accommodate a boxer engine and hybrid power unit. Toyota said that most of their cars will have HSD power units within a few years.

If the speculation is accurate, there could be massive incentives by the middle of next year to clear out the remaining '19 MY 86's. More speculation, but there could be some deals available on the TRD's especially, there are more of them within 200 miles of me than any other 86 model according to CarGurus.

8RZ · 11-09-2018, 11:54 AM

It's such a niche car I'm not surprised.

11-08-2018, 10:35 PM	#1
CraigVM Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Drives: Car Collector Location: Pacific NW Posts: 76 Thanks: 26 Thanked 35 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The 86 on Toyota's Chopping Block ? This story was on my phones news feed. http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...ime-candidates

11-08-2018, 11:03 PM	#3
HachiRokuX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Drives: 2017 Toyota 86 Location: Florida Posts: 232 Thanks: 1,712 Thanked 117 Times in 73 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The 86 on Toyota's Chopping Block ? If they have no changes planned, just let it die I guess. And I think the 86 is a great gateway drug into the sports car world. Edit: I’m just mad, don’t mind me lol. I want a second gen with a larger engine but otherwise I’m just gonna be mad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-09-2018, 03:41 AM	#9
86MLR Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto Location: Sydney Posts: 2,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The king (86) is dead, long live the king (Supra) __________________ Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311 I'm only here for the biscuits

11-09-2018, 11:20 AM	#10
bkharmony Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Drives: 2017 86GT Location: North Texas Posts: 324 Thanks: 562 Thanked 335 Times in 166 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Toyota wants to simplify their lineup. Subaru is bleeding money at a painful rate. Doesn't look good for the continuation of the FT86, and really doesn't look good for a second generation. But the fact is - no one knows. If Toyota is stubborn, they can tell Subaru to keep cranking them out. And remember, at this point, the car is developed and pretty much "finished." It's just pure profit now (even if it's a small profit). I think this probably means we won't get a second gen. Last edited by bkharmony; 11-09-2018 at 05:01 PM.

11-09-2018, 11:32 AM	#11
Rampage Senior Member/Old Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2000 2ZZ-GE MR2 Spyder HT Location: Back home in Ohio now Posts: 2,446 Thanks: 1,931 Thanked 2,014 Times in 915 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Make way for more SUVs, cross-overs and pick-up trucks! Woo-hoo! __________________ So many modders have more cents than sense!

11-08-2018, 11:02 PM	#2
DarkPira7e Rust bucket enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: 2013 Turbo Firestorm FRS Location: Vermont Posts: 3,934 Thanks: 3,200 Thanked 4,095 Times in 2,045 Posts Mentioned: 31 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm surprised we've gotten 7 years out of it so far. This -is- a partnership deal, how long do you think Subaru will supply Toyota parts for their line up? There's no use keeping it around longer if they're not changing anything. They know it's time to devote 100% to their next project. Not that any of this is factual, all here-say

11-09-2018, 12:29 AM	#4
TooSlow Member Join Date: May 2018 Drives: Toyota Location: Bay Area Posts: 48 Thanks: 10 Thanked 27 Times in 16 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'll be sad if the 86 was axed, but then maybe the value will hold up / increase over time?

11-09-2018, 12:59 AM	#5
m.box.design Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 2013 Whiteout FRS Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 3,081 Thanks: 331 Thanked 1,662 Times in 933 Posts Mentioned: 107 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	As long as they chop the roof into a targa top.

11-09-2018, 01:05 AM	#6
cyde01 ft86club resident b-boy Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Yamaha R3, moonslate 2018 GT Black Location: LA Area So Cal Posts: 1,214 Thanks: 142 Thanked 208 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So glad i got mine while it's still available!

11-09-2018, 02:19 AM	#8
jbsali Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2014 Subaru BRZ (Limited) Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 263 Thanks: 640 Thanked 69 Times in 49 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I hope it gets chopped. This is one the best cars I've ever owned and plan on making it a weekend vehicle at some point. Not having a "better version" available will help me sleep at night! no, 2020 supra doesnt count...

11-09-2018, 11:51 AM	#13
Atmo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Drives: TBA Location: FL350 Posts: 943 Thanks: 814 Thanked 1,123 Times in 586 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Considering the Automotive News source and understanding that Lentz is first and foremost a finance guy, the speculation may hold up. It's also been said by other Toyota execs that going forward, cars and crossovers will be built on TNGA platforms. That's a problem for Subaru that most likely wouldn't be allowed to retool for TNGA and isn't profitable enough to consider it anyway. https://pressroom.toyota.com/tnga/ Besides, the TNGA C segment platform may not be able to accommodate a boxer engine and hybrid power unit. Toyota said that most of their cars will have HSD power units within a few years. If the speculation is accurate, there could be massive incentives by the middle of next year to clear out the remaining '19 MY 86's. More speculation, but there could be some deals available on the TRD's especially, there are more of them within 200 miles of me than any other 86 model according to CarGurus.

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