VSC Sport, Trac Off, Both Off - Which do you use for normal driving?

[pinoyplaya]

Do you guys just drive without any of these features turned off during normal driving or do you turn off one or both?

[ill86]

I always turn mine off.

[S2kphile]

Please keep those safety features on...Not only for yourself but for other people on the road. I prefer not to see someone get hurt because they turned their VSC/Trac off.

As intelligent people say, "Keep it on the track". Or do it somewhere where you can't hurt others. TYVM

[pinoyplaya]

Originally Posted by S2kphile

Please keep those safety features on...Not only for yourself but for other people on the road. I prefer not to see someone get hurt because they turned their VSC/Trac off.

As intelligent people say, "Keep it on the track". Or do it somewhere where you can't hurt others. TYVM

Ive never tried them turned off. lol

[TSY]

Originally Posted by S2kphile

Please keep those safety features on...Not only for yourself but for other people on the road. I prefer not to see someone get hurt because they turned their VSC/Trac off.

As intelligent people say, "Keep it on the track". Or do it somewhere where you can't hurt others. TYVM

+1000.

Most people don't drive as well as they think they do, and for those drivers, VSC can save their butts.

For those drivers who really are as good as they think they are, VSC can still save their butts.

But seriously, VSC isn't intrusive in daily driving, so why not leave it on? Because an accident can really ruin yours or someone else's day (or life).

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by S2kphile

Please keep those safety features on...Not only for yourself but for other people on the road. I prefer not to see someone get hurt because they turned their VSC/Trac off.

As intelligent people say, "Keep it on the track". Or do it somewhere where you can't hurt others. TYVM

You make a few assumptions here.

1) That people turning off these features are doing so simply to drive recklessly.

2) That people turning off these features are incapable of driving safely without them.

3) That people turning off these features did not grow up driving more powerful RWD cars without them.











I've been in plenty of situations where T/C has been a hindrance, even a danger, mostly when it is far too aggressive and closes the damned throttle, killing all forward momentum when you need to continue accelerating to keep from getting hit. It's happened in both my G35 and my GTO where a tiny bit of manageable wheel slip has triggered far more intervention than needed.



LOLWUTUMEANTRACTIONCONTROL?!? ZOMGurgunnadie!!!

[ill86]

Originally Posted by TSY

+1000.

Most people don't drive as well as they think they do, and for those drivers, VSC can save their butts.

For those drivers who really are as good as they think they are, VSC can still save their butts.

But seriously, VSC isn't intrusive in daily driving, so why not leave it on? Because an accident can really ruin yours or someone else's day (or life).

Ah, but there are those who can safely handle the car..


Obviously if you cannot handle the machine please leave them on and learn carefully in a designated area.. With a professional if possible..

I urge all of you to learn to drive without them on at some point. Sooner the better.

:happy0180:

[TSY]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

You make a few assumptions here.

1) That people turning off these features are doing so simply to drive recklessly.

2) That people turning off these features are incapable of driving safely without them.

I've been in plenty of situations where T/C has been a hindrance, even a danger, mostly when it is far too aggressive and closes the damned throttle, killing all forward momentum when you need to continue accelerating to keep from getting hit. It's happened in both my G35 and my GTO where a tiny bit of manageable wheel slip has triggered far more intervention than needed.

I guess my response is if you're driving safely and not driving recklessly than why turn them off?

I do hear you about TCS and VCS in older cars and them being 'too intrusive' but in my experience with newer cars they will allow some slippage before straightening the car out. I can activate the VCS on my G37 when it's wet out but I've never had the throttle cut out on me. And I've been semi-sideways in my STI in the snow and C6 vettes again without intrusively cutting out the throttle.

I felt my BRZ slide a little today powering out of a sharp R turn and it was fine- VCS barely did anything.

So I would say your situation of not having the ability to put down power in a needed situation is pretty unlikely. Of course, YMMV.

BTW, that viper is a perfect example of people who have more money than ability! (or sense!)

[rikdrt1]

.... its like turning off your airbags cause you know you can drive good and you wont get in an accident....

Only reason to maybe turn them off is a track or some driving out in the country and you want to slide out a little... or maybe some other event where you can goof off out there by yourself (at your own risk) -- otherwise i wouldnt risk it

[ill86]

Quick answer - if those systems ever fail you need to know how to handle the car in an emergency situation.

Originally Posted by rikdrt1

.... its like turning off your airbags cause you know you can drive good and you wont get in an accident....

Not quite..

[TSY]

Originally Posted by ill86

Ah, but there are those who can safely handle the car..


Obviously if you cannot handle the machine please leave them on and learn carefully in a designated area.. With a professional if possible..

I urge all of you to learn to drive without them on at some point. Sooner the better.

:happy0180:

I agree with you. If people could learn how to drive well without the aids that would be better, and I'm not saying there aren't people who can't safely handle the car without electronic nannies. It's just that I find the people who are most clueless about their driving abilities are the ones who need the nannies the most.

Again, I agree, learn how to drive in a safe and controlled environment. Not public roads.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by TSY

I guess my response is if you're driving safely and not driving recklessly than why turn them off?

I do hear you about TCS and VCS in older cars and them being 'too intrusive' but in my experience with newer cars they will allow some slippage before straightening the car out. I can activate the VCS on my G37 when it's wet out but I've never had the throttle cut out on me. And I've been semi-sideways in my STI in the snow and C6 vettes again without intrusively cutting out the throttle.

I felt my BRZ slide a little today powering out of a sharp R turn and it was fine- VCS barely did anything.

So I would say your situation of not having the ability to put down power in a needed situation is pretty unlikely. Of course, YMMV.

My point was specifically traction control. Modern tiered systems allow you to keep VSC on with TC off. I like having control of the throttle (what little control you have left these days with Drive-by-Wire). I also drive in an area that is far more densely populated with people who drive very quickly on highways. A lot of our onramps are short, a lot of our drivers do 65 in the right lane not really paying attention to merging traffic. Congested traffic on the Belt, Southern State, Northern State, Hutch, Grand Central Parkway etc. moves at 50-60 mph at minimum. Even if you time your merge right, you should be hard on the throttle to keep from impeding the flow of traffic.

This is normal traffic volume moving at minimum 55mph. Enjoy your merge.

[ill86]

Originally Posted by TSY

I agree with you. If people could learn how to drive well without the aids that would be better, and I'm not saying there aren't people who can't safely handle the car without electronic nannies. It's just that I find the people who are most clueless about their driving abilities are the ones who need the nannies the most.

Again, I agree, learn how to drive in a safe and controlled environment. Not public roads.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

agreed

Hell, stay on your soap box! Nothing wrong with trying to keep people safer.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by pinoyplaya

Do you guys just drive without any of these features turned off during normal driving or do you turn off one or both?

my last few cars never had these features so i know how to drive with caution and a good sense of control on my own head, i do turn them off because one, i have taken the time in a private vacant lot to learn the characteristics of the suspension and a decent amount of control when the car is flogged, probably one of the first things i did when i hit the 1000 mile mark.

if you are used to these features then dont turn them off, go to a track and get some professional advise and training

i am a proud member of the scca and have some laps under my belt plus plenty of time learning on my own. even then i still take caution because it is a risk when having fun on public roads... i do not condone reckless driving, i do approve of spirited driving under the limit of your own skills on an empty road, know your limits and the cars limits and you can live day by day with these systems off and be perfectly safe, if you want to expand your experience and the limits you can drive at, go to the track, limit yourself to only 60% of knowledge of your own limits on public roads when there is no one around to put in danger, if there are people around that can be put in danger, drive with all the common laws in mind and follow them....