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11-30-2021, 12:57 PM | #15 |
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Some venues there's probably not much you can do about it I guess. |
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I've seen an average of a couple of incidents per year. Years ago, I spun in a slalom at the Dixie Tour and put a car through a fence that I doubt anyone at the event had even thought about. My co-driver once hit a curb in my STS car. Autocross is relatively safe, but if you plan to do it with any regularity, you should go to Lockton and buy a policy. |
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This isn't to say everyone should be overly concerned, but at the same time if you go to a lot of events (let's say 2 a month or more) the odds start to tilt towards something happening. I'll be getting a policy for next season, it's literally cheap insurance given what a low mileage Hakone is going for right now.
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I've seen it happen before with a concrete base of a light post. You can blame track design, but sometimes the environment you have to work with doesn't give you a lot of possibilities.
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Best I can tell for mine, driver may have gotten slightly confused in low vis conditions and a cone upright against the fence. Pushing pretty hard in poor conditions in an unfamiliar car on its first run of the day (so also cold tires), so that was probably the root mistake. It was just below 40° and spitting.
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That statement is more a reflection of the problem with SCCA than it is a reflection of the reality of track days.
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I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make other than to start an argument. As I said, it's up to each person. If someone asks if I feel like it's worth it to have insurance then I say that it is to me. I'm not interested in shelling out 10 to 200 times the cost of the insurance policy just because I *think* nothing should or is going to happen on the track. If they say they disagree with my opinion then that's fine too. See how I started this paragraph. It's a free country man. You do you. |
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Also one you're confident won't have issues, and if it does you'll happily cover costs of others you might take out? And any required track repairs.
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My comment stands. The ideology that "One should be willing to leave their car at the track in a pile of dust, or they shouldn't be on track in the first place" is pile of BS (I'm deliberately using hyperbole). It's definitely BS in trackdays and it's also BS in club racing. SCCA has a bad reputation in their road racing program for avoidable contact which got MUCH worse this year due the rampant destruction at the runoffs. They also have a ruleset that doesn't properly address or penalize poor on track behavior which perpetuates the problem with avoidable contact so many drivers are perfectly comfortable punting their competition due to zero accountability for it. This is why I said the quote is more indicative of SCCA (specifically as it came from a road racer) and not necessarily applicable to folks doing track days. So for the folks doing TRACK DAYS - NO, you should NOT go into it with a mindset that if you're not will dispose of your car you shouldn't be there. But you SHOULD accept the fact that you are participating in a high risk activity and should take the proper steps to "hedge your bets" as you see fit. That can be how you drive, the track you choose to drive at, your level of prep and of course.. insurance. ...but you do you.
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A related but sorta separate question: for folks that regularly take a daily driver or otherwise non-dedicated car to the track.. who do you use for normal car insurance?
I recently did my first track day - the Toyota freebie with NASA. I didn't get insurance for the day which was the right move because it would have been a waste. Traffic due to newbies was so heavy it was like driving at public road speeds for the few sessions we got. Anyhow I was thinking to make doing at least 1 or 2 HPDEs per year a thing and so may do insurance in the future. I called my current provider to make sure they had no issue with me getting track day insurance on top of theirs and was informed driving any car under their policy on a race track in any capacity is prohibited use, and if I did so they will drop me and all of my vehicles all together. Whew! Calling around I've gotten through about 5 major providers. Everyone says same thing - even though the policy excludes them from track accident liability, they don't want the risk. So no race track at all, or no policy. Hagerty is the only one I've spoken to that is OK with track days on their regular policy. Unfortunately I plan to drive the car 5-8k mi per year which is way too high for them as their "regular" insurance is intended for low-mileage classics. So does anyone have a regular insurance policy that is OK with going to the track, just no coverage if something happens there? Or is everyone in that boat just winging it? |
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We’re all winging it, more of a don’t ask don’t tell arrangement. I’ll use my AAA to tow me home from an event site but I won’t be filing a claim and risk screwing it up for everybody.
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