Electric Supercharger - Market Speculation

[tahdizzle]

[quote=LucidMomentum;2205858][quote=Shankenstein;2205259]I apologize if its been covered previously, but has it been investigated to use ESC with a larger turbo?

So like a twin turbo, with the ESC helping overcome turbo lag? Seems like a neat idea.



There's a whole thread with Dyno results. I linked you to one a few comments ago.

Thats EXACTLY what Audi/VW is doing with their "Electic superchargers" that you guys liked to use as some sort of validation of ESCs.

[Shankenstein]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Thats EXACTLY what Audi/VW is doing with their "Electic superchargers" that you guys liked to use as some sort of validation of ESCs.

Thanks for pointing it out. I've been out of the diesel R&D world for a few years.



Seems like the Audi system is pretty complicated. Twin-scroll to put exhaust gas to work... and an electric supercharger to "pull" air through at low flow rates. I haven't seen many designs with a throttle, but it's probably there to replace the EGR system and manage NOx emissions.

[Robftss]

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Thats EXACTLY what Audi/VW is doing with their "Electic superchargers" that you guys liked to use as some sort of validation of ESCs.[/QUOTE]

ESC only.

[tahdizzle]

So you're using this "Car A, with an electric supercharger, goes 12 mph to 44 mph in 6 seconds, while car B goes 12-34 mph in the same time" as a validation for how ESCs are the wave of the future?

And a note saying "it pretty much improves fuel economy by 7% with the same performance as down-shifting."

That commercial was a fuel economy commerical

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

So you're using this "Car A, with an electric supercharger, goes 12 mph to 44 mph in 6 seconds, while car B goes 12-34 mph in the same time" as a validation for how ESCs are the wave of the future?

And a note saying "it pretty much improves fuel economy by 7% with the same performance as down-shifting."

That commercial was a fuel economy commerical

Hi tahdizzle, I honestly am confused. Can you clarify/condense what specific point you're trying to make? Thanks

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Hi tahdizzle, I honestly am confused. Can you clarify/condense what specific point you're trying to make? Thanks

read the thread. That is all.

[tahdizzle]

Anywho.
There is a market for electic superchargers. Not in the capacity of replacing traditional superchargers, but in the capacity of improving traditional superchargers.

Because some guy shows a commercial displaying the benefits of an electric supercharger on fuel economy, automatically traditional FI is obsolete and we're all cavemen for thinking traditional FI is better than an ESC?

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Anywho.
There is a market for electic superchargers. Not in the capacity of replacing traditional superchargers, but in the capacity of improving traditional superchargers.

Because some guy shows a commercial displaying the benefits of an electric supercharger on fuel economy, automatically traditional FI is obsolete and we're all cavemen for thinking traditional FI is better than an ESC?

Nobody ever said this, but you can keep arguing that against yourself. It's kind of funny.

[tahdizzle]

@DAEMANO

So you mean to tell me that someone quotes me and BOLDS "validation of ESCs" and then posts a video demonstrating the impact of an ESC on fuel economy is Not saying "This is why ESCs are good."

How about you all just admit that ESCs are being researched at improving traditional FI systems, but are not a replacement and we just got it because it was cheaper.

Or what about the Phantom ESC guys make a Turbo kit that uses an ESC to feed the turbo?

There is not a market for an electric supercharger that replaces FI. Just the guys looking for cheap boost.

[Robftss]

"The idea of this project is to give the FRS or BRZ a nice increase of torque and power on demand. This is by no means meant to compete with full time FI applications but should provide that nice little bump in power that most people want."

This is the 1st statement on the 1st post from Fenton (post #5 now.)

[GotBRZ1691]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

1. Yes, the waiting list is that long.

92 people for FT86
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=8449

...and I don't know how long for Miatas.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...567709&page=13

The wait will be determined by production rate. Currently Rob is committed to a slow production rate, but that could change. Rob has a plan that's for sure.

2. Yes, I can take you on a test ride, don't mind at all.
We just have to get together. PM me and we can figure it out.

Hey so I clicked the link and noticed I was not on the waiting list. I was at some point, has it been updated? or re-done?

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Robftss

"The idea of this project is to give the FRS or BRZ a nice increase of torque and power on demand. This is by no means meant to compete with full time FI applications but should provide that nice little bump in power that most people want."

This is the 1st statement on the 1st post from Fenton (post #5 now.)

Yet all of you ESC guys are screaming "This is just as good as <insert product>, and is cheaper!"

Its cheap boost. Tell it like it is and don't church it up.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

read the thread. That is all.

Good lord, talk about unproductive. Ignore function on, buh bye

[brzaapi]

Well I never said it was best for power(turbo) or best for track (turbo or SC), but I did say it was best bang for buck. And in my opinion, thats pretty accurate. However, the ESC is not ready for track days...so I have moved onto a traditional SC. But that doesn't mean that the ESC isn't a viable option for cheap power. Thanks Rob for developing it. I hope ESCs do grow and improve.


I still don't understand why there is an argument about nothing. Which is really what this argument has become.