FBM Intake Manifold Release

[ShadowSeraph]

Well, It is my damn money to waste and who says that in I wont own this car for long enough to build the engine and do transmission upgrades. Anyone can call anything another person does with their money a "waste". I suppose anyone who goes a full effort NA build, you would call a "waste" too then.

"Im just trying to point out that people who buy parts that you use for "end game" FI setups BEFORE they go FI are wasting their money." <<< DA F**k is the difference before or after you go FI.. the $ amount is the same... now to move on from that moot point. Whatever man...

Originally Posted by nelsmar

Sounds like you have irresponsible micro transaction based modification habits. Buying a manifold to make 2-5WHP NA and then make gains that are likely not something in the department you need for FI for about 1/3-1/4 the price of a FI kit... My car "de-tuned" at 10PSI less than i used to run makes well into the 400WHP range with a stock manifold. So if this increases power at the same PSI level thats cool and all but... I can just turn my turbo pressure up... Why would I spend that much on a manifold? Unless I'm limited on top end power (I'm not aiming for 800+WHP) or it made my turbo spool significantly faster spending a significant dollar amount on a manifold to get a few HP when maxing my turbo out (which I am not) is meaningless.

Also are you planning on building your motor? otherwise your limited by the fuel type... and even then your transmission & internals will still be limited before you are manifold limited.

Im just trying to point out that people who buy parts that you use for "end game" FI setups BEFORE they go FI are wasting their money. Open a savings account and buy a turbo kit instead. Substantially better bang for the buck.

[ShadowSeraph]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

People should buy a turbo car in the first place I 100% agree. i personally like wrenching and building things and there wasn't a small light turbo car with an excessive power to weight ratio on the market for me... So I built one.... With forged internals.

So you basically are doing what I am doing, but going turbo first then criticizing me for what I spend my own damn money on... aren't you a damn winner...

[ShadowSeraph]

Originally Posted by Kiske

Spoke with Justin last Wednesday while ordering some more parts. They still don't have any of the manifolds instock, nor had an eta.
@ShadowSeraph look at nelsmar's reply this way. By the time you buy the intake manifold, install it and have your car re-tuned, you will already have 1/2 the cost for the FBM base kit



Then it is a good thing the person he was specifically replying to said he was wanting to go turbo when his finances allow.

Eh... it is a long slow climb anyway until my wife gets her CPA and I become a dual income household.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by ShadowSeraph

So you basically are doing what I am doing, but going turbo first then criticizing me for what I spend my own damn money on... aren't you a damn winner...

With all the time and money I have in my car I still have yet to see a single reason to buy a manifold. So no. No we are very far from the same. I wanted a power upgrade so I saved up and went FI right off the bat and then upgraded components I needed when I decided that I wanted more power after getting comfortable with the power instead of just going instantly to 500+HP off the bat. I also dont have a stock block where I am limited by compression, internals, and transmission strength (you know where the manifold would help...).

Originally Posted by ShadowSeraph

Well, It is my damn money to waste and who says that in I wont own this car for long enough to build the engine and do transmission upgrades. Anyone can call anything another person does with their money a "waste". I suppose anyone who goes a full effort NA build, you would call a "waste" too then.

"Im just trying to point out that people who buy parts that you use for "end game" FI setups BEFORE they go FI are wasting their money." <<< DA F**k is the difference before or after you go FI.. the $ amount is the same... now to move on from that moot point. Whatever man...

[Slicknick951]

I hate to be that guy but I was really interested in those NA results

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by Slicknick951

I hate to be that guy but I was really interested in those NA results

I'm also interested. More importantly, after some new discussion about how efficient the heads are, I'm curious to see the number at the high RPM ranges, even above the stock limiter.

[fika84]

Also in for NA results!

[Mattygt86]

sooooooooo

[Spartarus]

Intake manifolds designed to flow for forced induction are not going to make power NA.

Increased volumetric efficiency is where you will pick up NA power from an intake manifold. VE, especially at high RPM's is 100% dependent on velocity and harmonics. This requires careful selection of runner length and diameter, as well as runner geometry and plenum volume. Velocity and harmonics are your enemy when tuning FI; maintaining high and consistent manifold absolute pressure with minimal (linear and consistent) loss between the plenum and the cylinders is your friend when tuning FI. High static pressure is dependent on minimal velocity, and consistency necessitates minimal harmonics. A large, bored out plenum with shorter and wider runners is what I see here. That's not going to help with High RPM VE NA. It just isn't. I don't have to see a dyno to know that.

Just from a glance, looking at this manifold and hoping it will help you pick up NA power demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of NA tuning.

[Irace86]

Originally Posted by Spartarus

Intake manifolds designed to flow for forced induction are not going to make power NA.

Increased volumetric efficiency is where you will pick up NA power from an intake manifold. VE, especially at high RPM's is 100% dependent on velocity and harmonics. This requires careful selection of runner length and diameter, as well as runner geometry and plenum volume. Velocity and harmonics are your enemy when tuning FI; maintaining high and consistent manifold absolute pressure with minimal (linear and consistent) loss between the plenum and the cylinders is your friend when tuning FI. High static pressure is dependent on minimal velocity, and consistency necessitates minimal harmonics. A large, bored out plenum with shorter and wider runners is what I see here. That's not going to help with High RPM VE NA. It just isn't. I don't have to see a dyno to know that.

Just from a glance, looking at this manifold and hoping it will help you pick up NA power demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of NA tuning.

Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Everything you said was completely and utterly the ramblings of a babbling idiot regurgitating garbage from his mouth. Everyone here is now dumber from reading your post. Please die now.

























Haha, jk, thanks for the info.

[ort895]

So i see this kinda died, updates?

[FRS Justin]

Any independent dyno test results yet?

[ort895]

Originally Posted by FRS Justin

Any independent dyno test results yet?

i sure as hell cant find anything

[Dream20b]

Originally Posted by Irace86

Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Everything you said was completely and utterly the ramblings of a babbling idiot regurgitating garbage from his mouth. Everyone here is now dumber from reading your post. Please die now.

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