Next Gen BRZ thoughts

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by Broseph

I think Payload needs to start his own HiJack somewhere else.

He already has his own thread; he's either seriously out of touch with how forums work or a troll. I think it's the latter.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

You're so convinced that you're making 300+ hp... why not take your car to a reputable dyno and prove it? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you're not going to make the numbers you claim with an N/A Subaru 4.

My favorite leveler is the strip.

Simple math calcs with weight, trap and et will not lie.

From my days with Nissan Skylines, I walk past alot of cars with "claimed" hp numbers much higher than my old R33 Skyline boat.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Broseph

THANK YOU for your sensible post man. Cheers to you.



Not looking for 500HP. I've had almost every semi-modern Subaru engine made - many Stg2 catless EJs, FA20DITs, now the FA24DIT in the Ascent (have an AccessPort on it already) and am very excited about that engine going into other platforms. STI being a big one.

I've always loved how the BRZ drives and it is such a funner platform over the bigger, taller, heavy, AWD drivetrain-loss WRXs/STIs I've had. Done with the EJ, been there, done that. I haven't owned one since I got rid of my RWD Bimmer.

Almost pulled the trigger on a new M2C and just not feeling the whole thing (not to mention they're currently untunable since BMW locked out the ECU and the S55s have the crank hub spin problem - could be a REAL big problem if tuned). Anyway, as soon as I heard a bunch of well-timed rumors about the new FA24DIT possibly going into the new twins, it got the gears turning again. Had no idea what a sensitive topic it was here as I've NEVER freakin' hung out on this site before besides random guest lurking over the past 8 years, despite people thinking I've had another account, lol.

I wouldn’t bank on the FA24DIT, I think it would end up cannibalising the Supra. I think the most likely rumour is the NA FA24 with a 20hp to 30hp bump over the NA FA20. The NA FA20 seems to be at the limit of its power output from the factory, the facelifted ‘17 model couldn’t meet emissions for the auto and therefore the small power bump of this model is only available in the manual. That’s my guess, we’ll find out in 12 months or so. Then the threads on 3rd gen rumours will start.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I wouldn’t bank on the FA24DIT, I think it would end cannibalising the Supra. I think the most likely rumour is the NA FA24 with a 20hp to 30hp bump over the NA FA20. The NA FA20 seems to be at the limit of its power output from the factory, the facelifted ‘17 model couldn’t meet emissions for the auto and the small power bump of this model is only available in the manual. That’s my guess, we’ll find out in 12 months or so. Then the threads on 3rd gen rumours will start.

Third gen is easy. All electric self driving. Maybe even hover.




Or none at all.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Third gen is easy. All electric self driving. Maybe even hover.

Or none at all.

I’m hoping it goes the way of the MX-5/Miata, a slow evolution of each model. It’s good to have competition/variety in this segment.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I’m hoping it goes the way of the MX-5/Miata, a slow evolution of each model. It’s good to have competition/variety in this segment.

This segment is doomed in the next 10 years or so. As are most others. The days of long evolving cars are well over. You will get to live through the end of the ICE sports car.

[Broseph]

Sad deal too.
I’m firmly in the ICE camp until I cannot be. Driven tons of Teslas and other electrics and they’re soulless. Extremely fast, yes, some. All without soul.
I suppose it will be a slow transition to the new normal, like most things. Parts of us will die inside and I suppose we’ll find new ways to get excited about what they do with the tech.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This segment is doomed in the next 10 years or so. As are most others. The days of long evolving cars are well over. You will get to live through the end of the ICE sports car.

I think you’re right. Depressing to think about actually, even a hybrid version.

[Payload]

Yup.. It does not need any special ram intakes, your plastic stock air intake is fine the way it is to get over +260 hp into the low 300hp numbers.. It was discussed in other forums I read years ago that once you attempt to tune this N.A. FA20 engine beyond like 400 hp that your at risk of causing stress fractures to the engine internal components, such as the connection rods and the crank shaft.. Some people have tried it and blown the engine when attempting 400 hp with a Naturally aspirated FA20 engine. So without any force induction and internal engine mods attempting +400 hp is arguably forbidden, unless you make shop design changes to this engine..

[Payload]

Of course the torque ratings are improved when tunning a N.A engine like the FA20 block but if your car starts at a low torque rate when N.A. don't expect to get large amounts of torque build up in the early low rev numbers on the tachometer.. By design, the hp will increase linearly with the torque output which is what makes this car a high revving engine.. So with that being said if you tune your N.A. FA20 engine moderately or very well you'll definitely get rid of the torque dip but you'll still have some low end torque in the linear cooperation btwn hp and torque gains. You have to continue the rev climb through the tachometer, keep revving the engine until you change to the next gear. Based on my engine tune I'll say past about 4,250 rpm, this is from experience the pick up is felt.. I no longer have torque dip after I tuned it.. Low end torque and torque dip are to different facets..

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Payload

Yup.. It does not need any special ram intakes, your plastic stock air intake is fine the way it is to get over +260 hp into the low 300hp numbers.. It was discussed in other forums I read years ago that once you attempt to tune this N.A. FA20 engine beyond like 400 hp that your at risk of causing stress fractures to the engine internal components, such as the connection rods and the crank shaft.. Some people have tried it and blown the engine when attempting 400 hp with a Naturally aspirated FA20 engine. So without any force induction and internal engine mods attempting +400 hp is arguably forbidden, unless you make shop design changes to this engine..

alright kimosabe. time to put up or shut up.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138728

delicious is someone who's been tuning these specific vehicles since 2013, and consulted with people with decades of tuning and engine alteration experience before that. if he says the realistic maximum is 250-260 n/a, i believe him because he's got the chops and the business to back it up. your posts are just words.

if you can post verified dyno sheets and datalogs for making 300hp with nothing but the bolt-ons you've already installed, i'll send you $1,000 for the tune.

if you're right, it'll be the easiest $1,000 you've ever made.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by soundman98

alright kimosabe. time to put up or shut up.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138728



delicious is someone who's been tuning these specific vehicles since 2013, and consulted with people with decades of tuning and engine alteration experience before that. if he says the realistic maximum is 250-260 n/a, i believe him because he's got the chops and the business to back it up. your posts are just words.



if you can post verified dyno sheets and datalogs for making 300hp with nothing but the bolt-ons you've already installed, i'll send you $1,000 for the tune.



if you're right, it'll be the easiest $1,000 you've ever made.

He’s talking crank HP which would be around 250-260whp. Even then, in almost a decade no one has made anywhere near that. Even on e85. Looks like he has been busy doing maths instead of looking at dynos that have been posted since the car came out lol

[Lantanafrs2]

You guy need to stop responding to this bullshit lol

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This segment is doomed in the next 10 years or so. As are most others. The days of long evolving cars are well over. You will get to live through the end of the ICE sports car.

That's why I don't believe we'll get a true next gen 86. Theres no motor available unless they stay with the fa20 and the fa20 is the reason everyone is hoping for a next generation vehicle