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GR86 General Topics (2nd Gen 2022+ Toyota 86) General topics for the GR86 second-gen 86


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Old 09-28-2019, 11:34 PM   #113
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Subaru wanted to get their hands on Toyota's direct injection. Toyota wanted to make fun cars again, maybe learn something about that from Subaru (). Could also be exchanging behind the scenes production stuff we don't see. Also, it cost each a whole lot less than developing an experimental car themselves.

Maybe this time it will be a mild hybrid setup so Subaru can learn hybrid-y things. Toyota gets...better AWD I guess (from some other car)? Having a bit of electronic boost to fill in any torque dips might be interesting...
There is no mystery about what they are collaborating on. It says it in black and white in their news releases. Why does it seem nobody reads those but take the clickbaits as gospel?
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There is no mystery about what they are collaborating on. It says it in black and white in their news releases. Why does it seem nobody reads those but take the clickbaits as gospel?
Come on mate, don't let commonsense or logic get in the way of a good story.
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There is no mystery about what they are collaborating on. It says it in black and white in their news releases. Why does it seem nobody reads those but take the clickbaits as gospel?
I thought I stick just close enough to the article to make it believable...
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My prediction: 86/BRZ not getting AWD. We'll get maybe an NA 2.4 if we are lucky....
1.5T with an electric motor aid all to the rear, effectively giving it more torque and power. Oh and good mileage.
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1.5T with an electric motor aid all to the rear, effectively giving it more torque and power. Oh and good mileage.
This would break my heart.
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My prediction: 86/BRZ not getting AWD. We'll get maybe an NA 2.4 if we are lucky....
the 2.4 makes sense with what others were saying before regarding emissions control. it's subaru's newest motor, and most likely to have the least teething issues to be brought into compliance in any format.
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It’s long past time for that. I’ve seen so many companies ruined by giving in to shareholder pressure for short-term results (including a couple of mine). Japanese business culture takes more of a long-term perspective, but in the US, laws codify that a company’s highest priority must be to maximize shareholder value (which to most US hedge funds means, maximize today’s stock price). Toyota can afford to have a long term perspective. I’ll be interesting to see what happens to GM with their new-found attitude.
just because they made the statement doesn't mean anything will change. they'd need to re-issue it with the quarterly earnings every time to get any of the investors to care.
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I'd be ok with a lightly revised fa20 (more revs, no torque dip, whatever can be done) and some electric motors for efficiency/torque. Only problem with going with a hybrid is the weight imo. I really can't wait to see what they do since there's actually quite a few options.
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The FA20 seemed to have a very short run and also considering it is only being used on the 86/BRZ.

I wouldn't be surprised if they put in a revised FA20 (10hp bump) in the 2nd gen to get a better ROI. The FA24 is being utilized in the Outback and Legacy, so no issues with that engine being under utilized.
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So i got a question. we are mainly thinking in terms of US market and all that.

in Japan isnt there some sort of restriction on engine displacement for tax bracketing?

So while im over here with a few others saying Yeah just use the FA24 and itll be gud

they'd have to engineer that engine specifically for our markets. and put a smaller one in theirs. right?

Or am I thinking completely wrong and after the kei car thing it doesnt matter?
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So i got a question. we are mainly thinking in terms of US market and all that.

in Japan isnt there some sort of restriction on engine displacement for tax bracketing?

So while im over here with a few others saying Yeah just use the FA24 and itll be gud

they'd have to engineer that engine specifically for our markets. and put a smaller one in theirs. right?

Or am I thinking completely wrong and after the kei car thing it doesnt matter?


Mazda does this for the Miata
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Am I the only that wouldn't mind a hybrid Toyota 86 ? I'm sure they will offer it as a option either way with the petrol. Not to mention there will probably be a GR version of the 86. Nothing worries me we still have our Gen 1's to enjoy either way if this things totally blows so their is that.
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Am I the only that wouldn't mind a hybrid Toyota 86 ?

Depends on whether you like CVT's, the only available option in Toyota HEV's.
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Old 09-29-2019, 09:35 PM   #126
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I have a somewhat running theory that cars like the FRS and Supra are made with the idea they wont sell numbers wise. but they get customers to come through the front door.



If it has "magnetism" that could become a function of income or worth. Sort of like the LFA and the following and the following F badging since then for Lexus.





Just a theory I have.



On the subaru side of the house I have no idea. they just wanted to make a two door sports coupe and... i dunno why they wanted to.


I agree with this, and concerning Subaru, I’m not sure how much they “wanted to” as opposed to Toyota saying “hey this car is going to happen if you want our support”
And Subaru loves making quirky cars, the SVX, the Baja, the Brat. They love that stuff, and I love them for it.


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