'22+ GR86 vs GR Supra 3.0 Manual vs 2JZGTE swapped SC300 Manual

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

That’s kind of my point though. Blindly comparing two cars because they cost the same without considering purpose is crazy. Why is a $36k Miata is so cheap feeling inside and ungodly loud on the highway compared with a $36k Audi A3? Because it’s a RWD sports car that is intentionally as light as possible, at the expense of NVH and interior. They may cost the same but it makes no sense comparing them.

Even if it was free, I wouldn’t want 200 lbs of sound deadening or insulation on a Miata (or 86, s2000, Elise, mr2, etc.)

Also applies to how cars tend to overlap with the highest equipped "lower tier" car (say Corolla) with the cheapest "higher tier" car (say Camry)

And then its like, the Camry's is a better car....why would you buy an expensive Corolla over a Camry that costs the same?

Well....cuz the Camry is a BIGGER car and i dont want a bigger car, and i want a fully equipped smaller car....sure the Camry might be built to a higher standard, but its not necessarily a better car.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Spektyr

Do you have a GR86? Your profile suggests you're driving a Gen1.

I had two of them. A '15 model and a '20 model. I'm keeping now the '15 model for my son. The GR86 hasn't changed much regarding NVH as far I know.

Originally Posted by Spektyr

People shouldn't be comparing these cars' "refinement" to an A-B commuter car that happens to be a bit sporty. They should be comparing them to thoroughbred track cars that haven't been entirely gutted of their ameneties.

For $30-35k you get a track-ready car with A/C, cruise, all the niceties and a warranty.

That's exactly my point. I don't race my car. I like to drive it on twisty roads in the mountains, but going there can be several hours of commuting. It is equal important to have a sporty drive as well as having a long distance cruiser. I think for this purpose Supra is better suited. If I was looking for an inexpensive track car or maybe for a daily driver, then GR86 would be a better choice.

[MrSkubi]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

The GR86 hasn't changed much regarding NVH as far I know.

I have to disagree. Imo my GR86 has noticeably less NVH compared to my 17' BRZ.

[Spektyr]

Originally Posted by MrSkubi

I have to disagree. Imo my GR86 has noticeably less NVH compared to my 17' BRZ.

Exactly. There are significant differences between the two Gens. I've driven a Gen1 but I never owned one. The distinction is that you won't find me going to the Gen1 section of the forum to tell them how their cars work.

Also, nikitopo mentioned running 3200rpm at 70mph. In a Gen2 there's a simple solution for that: upshift. If you're cruising at 3200rpm you are not in the right gear (or you're going VERY fast). I think I'd be around 80mph in 5th gear to hit 3200rpm cruising.

And yeah, that'd be louder than using 6th gear at the same speed. But it would also be my own fault for doing that.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Spektyr

Also, nikitopo mentioned running 3200rpm at 70mph. In a Gen2 there's a simple solution for that: upshift. If you're cruising at 3200rpm you are not in the right gear (or you're going VERY fast). I think I'd be around 80mph in 5th gear to hit 3200rpm cruising.

And yeah, that'd be louder than using 6th gear at the same speed. But it would also be my own fault for doing that.

2017+ manual Twins with the 4.3 final drive are at 3,160 RPM at 70 MPH in 6th gear, vs. 3,020 for the 4.1 final drive (2012-2016 and 2022+).
80 MPH in 5th is 4,500 RPM with a 4.1 final drive. Is yours an automatic? That runs at 2,170 RPM in 6th at 70 MPH. Or taller wheels?

[EAGLE5]

The SC Lexus are GTs, not sports cars. They're also so old, all kinds of bits are failing. My dad has an SC400 when they first came out. So quiet. So fast (for the day). Amazing Nakamichi sound. I have absolutely zero interest in owning one.

I don't get why people say you can't use big power on the street. There is a lot of time between 0 and 60. If it wasn't such a boat, I'd drive the tits off a Tesla Plaid.

If I just had to get a new gasser manual right now in the US, I'd probably go for the GR Corolla, GR 86, or M2. What I really, really want is the GR Yaris, but alas, I am in the wrong country. The Supra is just not as good as the M2.

If I just had to get a used gasser manual, it'd be a recent M2 or a GT86.

I really should go test drive a Cayman.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

2017+ manual Twins with the 4.3 final drive are at 3,160 RPM at 70 MPH in 6th gear, vs. 3,020 for the 4.1 final drive (2012-2016 and 2022+).

Yes exactly. I have a 4.3 final drive.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

I don't get why people say you can't use big power on the street. There is a lot of time between 0 and 60.

Because in a few seconds you're either way past the speed limit, or the car won't hook up.

My '135i with the DCT, TC off. From idle, floor it and it's spinning through 1st and 2nd. Feather it so you maintain traction into 3rd and you're above the speed limit for anything but a turnpike. And that car was only 300/300 with the 255 Michelin Super Sports out back (stock was 245 but I went up a size).

Which means, if you really want to go full throttle and enjoy, the only place you can really do it is long on-ramps, which you then, have to slow back down to merge.

If you guys really want acceleration, just go buy a liter bike.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Because in a few seconds you're either way past the speed limit, or the car won't hook up.

My '135i with the DCT, TC off. From idle, floor it and it's spinning through 1st and 2nd. Feather it so you maintain traction into 3rd and you're above the speed limit for anything but a turnpike. And that car was only 300/300 with the 255 Michelin Super Sports out back (stock was 245 but I went up a size).

Which means, if you really want to go full throttle and enjoy, the only place you can really do it is long on-ramps, which you then, have to slow back down to merge.

If you guys really want acceleration, just go buy a liter bike.

A car not hooking up is part of the fun.

My main issue with my EVs is that, despite immense torque, actual control of their power means that every bit of their power gets put down without any issue. The i4 is 536/586 and it hooks up all day long.

So really, the issue is traction control.

Liter bikes, like all bikes, are death machines.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

A car not hooking up is part of the fun.

My main issue with my EVs is that, despite immense torque, actual control of their power means that every bit of their power gets put down without any issue. The i4 is 536/586 and it hooks up all day long.

So really, the issue is traction control.

Liter bikes, like all bikes, are death machines.

I mean spinning the tires was cool when I was 13.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I mean spinning the tires was cool when I was 13.

What the hell are you even doing here on this forum??? Go get yourself a nice Prius, preferably the older one because it's slower.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

What the hell are you even doing here on this forum??? Go get yourself a nice Prius, preferably the older one because it's slower.

Because I own a 2nd gen?

Sorry, I would rather the car hook up and go vs just roasting the tires.