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08-04-2017, 06:17 PM | #1 |
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Dedicated Drift Platform: Toyobaru vs 370Z
Looking to get an opinion from the collective hive mind here who may have more experience with the platforms specifically for drifting. Being on FT86 I know there is a slight bias but I find you guys are pretty open minded and have seen excellent, well mannered discussion come up when comparing vehicles. I know we have had people switch between the cars both ways. For intent of the compare I am talking pre updated MY17 cars and a sport package 370Z, price of entry being roughly the same. I am aware I can get a cheap E36, weld the diff and skid. Let's say that is not feasible.
The intent of this comparison is purely as a basic/entry/KISS drift platform exclusively. I've owned a 2013 FRS and G35 back to back so I am familiar with the FRS's steering feel and weight advantage. I am not as familiar with the updated 370Z platform. Also have 4+ years of tracking, instructing experience but no direct drifting experience except catching oversteer on track/autox. The idea is to have something to maximize seat time on while minimizing wrench time. So basic mods for consistent and reliable skids. #Learning FRS/BRZ:
CONS: Lack of power is not the best, I have gotten accustomed to having some torque. This also makes adjusting line and initiating a bit more difficult (IMO, from my 2013 Scion FRS experience) on throttle. Have to throw the car at speed, not enough power in the higher speed stuff or a bunch of clutch kicking. I have read also in the drifting thread this can cause some issues in tandems. My fear here would be as I have some background with high performance driving, I would outgrow the stock power and be tempted to go with boost. Which is $$$ and I am not interested in going down that path again. Been there done that. 370Z:
CONS: Consumables will be more because of weight. A bit more of a pig and opposite of the PROS for the FRS. Thoughts/feedback from our drifters here? |
08-09-2017, 01:13 PM | #2 |
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I never cared for the Z. Feels like a pig in comparison. Numb, dull, slow to rotate, etc. I also personally hate the sound of the VQ engine. But that's subjective. The lack of torque and steering angle are the only downsides to the FRS in my opinion. Both are easily fixed though. With headers and tune, there is ample power to use 4th gear in drifting. I was doing tracks with 4th gear entries when my FRS was stock power. If there's too much grip, just increase the rear tire pressure. Tandem is also easy with the FRS, especially when you have the extra angle and power. Remove ABS fuse so you can left foot brake in chase without having the LSD braking kicks in and causes you to drop out of the powerband. You'll run a bit of a shallow line and angle to chase higher powered cars, but it's still more than capable. I ran door to door with a 500hp 1JZ ProAm car with a stock powered FRS. I had to run shallow line and angle to stay close, but I could still do it. The lower power and lower weight also comes with lower running costs. Less fuel and tire consumption means it's less cost to drive, which means easier to get more seat time... and that's what matters most. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o4xBhq9FJg&t=14s"]FRS Drift Compilation - YouTube[/ame] ^This is from when I had mine. All the clips in the video are from the first 6 months of ownership with my car back in 2013. Stock power and stock steering angle. Just coilovers, LCAs, and an axleback exhaust. There's some tandem in there too.
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No eurobeat? Shame on you
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I actually had some eurobeat blasting in the car at a bunch of events lol. It's awesome sitting there on grid with the windows up and the A/C & stereo blasting, while everybody else in their old cars have to sit there with their windows down and doors open just to get some fresh air and keep from dying in the heat.
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Great feedback, thanks Tyler. I just read your large post on your build thread for getting the car drift ready. A lot of good information there. Much appreciated!
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It was a bunch of info I had compiled through personal experience with my own car, as well as what friends of mine had discovered through their own experiences.
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I havent logged on in months, serious personal life issues that sucks the life out you. Putting real tires on the 86 throws off the friendly demeanor it has stock. I dont think youll be doing much credible drifting should you go that route.
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the 370Z is a much better car to have fun with drifting. Just start it up and drift as is. Power is key to drifting, power and rear wheel drive is all there is. The BRZ can drift but really does not have to as it has an actual sports car, low center of gravity build. To drift in the BRZ/FRS one has to push up the power. Putting 18" 235+ sticky tires makes it not driftable without a big bump in torque. I would never get a FRS for drifting unless I desired to put forced induction on it.
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Both under the same driver skill and stock for stock:
torque in the 370z will make drifting easier. skill in the 86 will make drifting more rewarding. |
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These are not powerful cars:
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Torque will make initiating the drift easier. Controlling it is a whole different matter.
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I still find the 370z easier to maintain a slide thanks to the torque, which is why I say the FRS is still more rewarding to get sideways. |
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