Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Hi All,

Just a quick update on the Innovate Intercooler test and tune. So here are the results we have thus far.



As you can see there are three dyno charts and below describes each.

182.7 whp - Innovate Stage 1 "Tuner" Package with out standard tune offered for this kit. Usually this reads around 215-225 on a dynojet by comparison or 20% higher on a dynojet.

191.9 whp - This is the exact same tune as offered in the Stage 1 "Tuner" Package except the different being only the intercooler. As you can see just adding the intercooler and doing absolutely nothing else will net your vehicle nearly 10 more wheel horsepower. So that would be about 225-235 on a dynojet.

204.7 whp - This includes the Innovate Stage 1 "Tuner" Package plus intercooler and our custom map for this particular setup. So there is room to make power even with a small (minimal) pressure drop. Boost is not everything, as can be seen above.

And I am sure there are a few more items on the table to make even more power. Coming soon...

Cheers,
William Knose

So on a stock car w/ 91 you made just over 30% base w/o the intercooler. With the IC and tune you got more than 45% over baseline. This seems plausible and likely.

For anyone w/ a base dyno w/ mods wondering how they might do, just add 30% and 45% respectively to your baseline to get a generalized 'ballpark' figure. Obviously won't be exact but the basic physics of PD is close enough for people to see if this gets them close enough to where they want to be.

Btw, instead of looking at top end figures by themselves, look at the relationship to the stock baseline. Remember, the FA20 is rated for 197-200hp at the crank. He's making 139 at the wheels. This difference should help compensate for dyno discrepancies in people's minds to get a more accurate idea of what's happening at the crank relative to Toyota's base numbers once they add boost.
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Do you notice any mildly discernible difference in throttle response between the IC and non-IC?

[pmccut]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I think its all a matter of opinion and personal experiences. I was told by couple of friends to stay away from ACT and go with CM. Very happy with it. I drove King Tut's ACT 6 puck vs. my full face CM, and the main difference is the grab point of the ACT was extremely On/Off, while my CM is forgiving and can be feathered. But of course, that has more to do with 6 puck/full face than anything else.

I wish someone else in my area had one of these to compare. My CM FX300 is completely on/off and allows no feathering at all. I certainly couldn't recommend it to anyone.

I'm swapping for the Exedy stage 1 next week. It should be the perfect clutch for the SC power levels with OEM drivability.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by lbroskee

that seems very low when we have ppl at lik 250 WHP, or is this with stock exhaust, pulleys AKA just the stage 2 kit?

It is really hard to compare different dynomometers. The most reliable one seems to be the dynojet as they all seem to read the same (even these have some small differences). But it is really hard to compare say a dyno dynamics to the dynojet. Some DD read low and some read high.

No offense to the people who dyno'd 240-250 on that dynodynmaics dyno set to comparison mode, with the stock pulley, but that was not on a dynojet so we have no idea what they put out vs. other's. On a dynojet, on pump gas you are looking at 200-225 stock or with bolt on's (so far).

[Dezoris]

People get hung up on the power number when the actual drivability of of the car in all conditions are more important.

Sadly this is something you cant quantify in a dyno post nor does that sell on the internet.
Take a look at the baseline of a 139HP to put the final number in perspective.

[OmarGC]

Curious to see if people already on e85 make anymore power after adding the IC. *holding my breath*

[xwd]

I think the benefits are going to diminish but still be there. Cooler air is cooler air... People in other FI cars don't stop using ICs when they switch to E85. Now straight up alcohol is another story but I don't see anyone doing that.

[chadstyle]

Originally Posted by lbroskee

im jus tryna figure out if that was the only mods on the test car is wut i mean. really hoping its only the kit on the car. im pretty sure it is in which case great numbers, but jus want to make sure b4 i get too happy

I keep telling you that this kit is a joke..sad because it has the most polished look of the bunch so far. People are expecting this long awaited IC to make substantially more power and that's not reality. I don't see an IC version making substantially more power than say a non IC version on a nice, cool day. In hot climates or track use I see a benefit here but most people have your mindset...all bolt on mods available+custom tune+IC Innovate kit=280-300WHP. The only way I think those numbers are reachable are with E85.

I'm really rooting for someone to prove me wrong here...I love the look/design of this setup but I just don't see it filling the performance I'm after.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Hi All,

Just a quick update on the Innovate Intercooler test and tune. So here are the results we have thus far.



As you can see there are three dyno charts and below describes each.

182.7 whp - Innovate Stage 1 "Tuner" Package with out standard tune offered for this kit. Usually this reads around 215-225 on a dynojet by comparison or 20% higher on a dynojet.

191.9 whp - This is the exact same tune as offered in the Stage 1 "Tuner" Package except the different being only the intercooler. As you can see just adding the intercooler and doing absolutely nothing else will net your vehicle nearly 10 more wheel horsepower. So that would be about 225-235 on a dynojet.

204.7 whp - This includes the Innovate Stage 1 "Tuner" Package plus intercooler and our custom map for this particular setup. So there is room to make power even with a small (minimal) pressure drop. Boost is not everything, as can be seen above.

And I am sure there are a few more items on the table to make even more power. Coming soon...

Cheers,
William Knose

Can't wait to see how the updated e85 tune feels. Are you going to have a line on getting the intercooler kits as well?

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

Curious to see if people already on e85 make anymore power after adding the IC. *holding my breath*

We'll find out as soon as i can get my hands on an intercooler kit. i'm doing e85 dyno runs on Saturday morning, maybe sooner. I'm not sure if the car @FA20Club.com is about to install an IC kit into is on E85 or has E85 baselines though.

[regal]

Originally Posted by chadstyle

I keep telling you that this kit is a joke..sad because it has the most polished look of the bunch so far. .

The base kit equals 260hp at the crank. That puts the car over the S2k and into Cayman territory, how is that a joke?

[tech4pdx]

I just put down 280whp with pump (92) and meth injection. I achieved these numbers with a 70mm pulley. The car was dyno'd yesterday at PRE racing on their Dyno Dynamics. I have full exhaust and bolt-ons. Fuel system is 100% stock (other than the meth injection). I will post up the dyno plot soon.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by tech4pdx

I just put down 280whp with pump (92) and meth injection. I achieved these numbers with a 70mm pulley. The car was dyno'd yesterday at PRE racing on their Dyno Dynamics. I have full exhaust and bolt-ons. Fuel system is 100% stock (other than the meth injection). I will post up the dyno plot soon.

Header?

Would love to see the dyno plot, and any info you can provide about your meth injection setup.

[tech4pdx]

P&L equal length catted version. In fact, I have both cats since it is attached to a Nameless over/front-pipe catted.

Meth injection is the AEM 1-gallon kit publicly available at many distributors. Trunk mounted. Nozzle is mounted on intake charge pipe just before the throttle body. 100% meth, no water.

The whole thing installed and tuned by PRE Racing using BrzEdit.

[lbroskee]

Originally Posted by chadstyle

I keep telling you that this kit is a joke..sad because it has the most polished look of the bunch so far. People are expecting this long awaited IC to make substantially more power and that's not reality. I don't see an IC version making substantially more power than say a non IC version on a nice, cool day. In hot climates or track use I see a benefit here but most people have your mindset...all bolt on mods available+custom tune+IC Innovate kit=280-300WHP. The only way I think those numbers are reachable are with E85.

I'm really rooting for someone to prove me wrong here...I love the look/design of this setup but I just don't see it filling the performance I'm after.

i kinda agree, but lik i said i jus want some low end steady power with maybe 300 hp max. the turbo kit can easily get me the HP, but it doesnt get me the low end i want. 4K RPM is just not doing it for me this seems to b one of the few that gets that so I'm just sitting back waiting. Toni has one goin together soon and i no if any1 can get the great numbers it's him