I'd read it was possible but here is confirmation

[Bodalenko]

There was a fatal crash in Melbourne on Friday night involving an 86..

One 17yr old girl passenger dead and a 20yr old male in hospital and expected to recover.

'Drifting' is suspected..

"Although speed has been identified as a key factor in the crash, data from the sporty Toyota 86, driven by a 20-year-old Vermont man, will help show what happened in the moments before the car rammed into a tree.

Detectives can check the car’s speed, acceleration and steering movements, and whether anti-braking and stability systems were on or off."

I knew there was a 'black box' recorder in the car, as mentioned in the manual, but getting data off it without a court order is unusual.

I don't know if it can be turned off but I suspect not...

The days of having to annualy submit a chip from the ECU to authorities so they can check the number of times you have exceeded the speed limit are very near!!!

[steve99]

http://www.edmunds.com/car-technolog...rash-data.html

[Bodalenko]

The US takes civil liberties very seriously Over here it's all for show and very quickly forgotten. When it comes down to the word of a driver versus the precise and accurate information stored on a cars black box the jury will be unanimous.

[Maaad86]

Wow i didn't even know about this, any way to take it out? Or "cars so wired that whom ever is tracking them will know anytime you didnt wear your seatbelt? Kind of deal?


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[steve99]

Im no expert on these black boxs but it appears

They are in most cars and have been for a while
They only record a very short period of data, and its constantly overwtitten untill their is a crash event.
It likely intergrated into the crash sensors airbags ecu or some other component not easily removed or tampered with.
It likely laws prevent it being accesses on a routine basis else the police would be downloading the data each time they pulled you up. Its also likey that the recording time is so short ie less than a minute and the store function is only triggered by a crash event.

[Maaad86]

Thanks for the clarification, I hope the day never comes that technology like that ever comes around... Like the whole snap technology for some insurance companies @steve99


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[ZZT86]

As Boda said the day when "big brother" is always watching your every move like the KGB isn't far - we might as well rid of all these different variety/styles of cars on the road and have just ONE boring ol' sh1t box speed limited & fully controlled according to the area/zone your in so there's NO way of anyone ever breaking the law - there's an 86 Ad that goes along these lines. "But what of all that revenue guss ?"

Everything is hacakble in this world . . . . .

[bee-jay]

And Everyone carrying a smart phone and your worried about a black box.
Talk about privacy concerns. you have no idea.
They don't need a black box when they can check the gps on your phone, tell how fast you were going and the last time you took a dump....

[Maaad86]

Originally Posted by bee-jay

And Everyone carrying a smart phone and your worried about a black box.
Talk about privacy concerns. you have no idea.
They don't need a black box when they can check the gps on your phone, tell how fast you were going and the last time you took a dump....

That is true,i guess i just have a problem with authority at times lol


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[shodan]

Originally Posted by ZZT86

...we might as well rid of all these different variety/styles of cars on the road and have just ONE boring ol' sh1t box speed limited & fully controlled according to the area/zone your in so there's NO way of anyone ever breaking the law)

Well, with self-driving cars around the corner, things might end up like that

[why?]

Originally Posted by bee-jay

And Everyone carrying a smart phone and your worried about a black box.
Talk about privacy concerns. you have no idea.
They don't need a black box when they can check the gps on your phone, tell how fast you were going and the last time you took a dump....

smart phones are a gigantic problem, and frankly not enough people are doing anything about it. As long as the masses have no problem being tracked every second of their lives, nothing will be done.

But you need to fight every battle all the time.

[Maaad86]

Those are good points but before any of that a zombie apocalypse will probably wipe us all out lol


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[tjf]

The police wouldn't need a court order to access the black box in this case as a fatal accident has occurred and they are required to investigate and present the evidence to the Coroner.

[nzer]

One of our club members here in New Zealand had the data from his car extracted by his insurance company and they argued he was driving too fast for the conditions when he crashed. Had steering angle, gear, speed and a whole heap more data incl whether traction control was on or off. Only recorded a rolling short space of time as I understand though. Say 30s before impact.

Luckily he won in the end and got a replacement car for his write off.