Car and Driver is F-ing Stupid - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

EAGLE5 · 10-20-2016, 01:33 PM

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...al-test-review

Idiots don't get it. Haters gotta hate.

DAEMANO · 10-20-2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Idiots don't get it.

Correct.

Summerwolf · 10-20-2016, 01:49 PM

A little harsh, maybe.... but well written. They also bring up some very valid points about cross shopped possibilities and the overall fate of the vehicle.

Lantana frs · 10-20-2016, 02:00 PM

Even oem turbo cars can be grenades. No thanks. Ironically the 86 is one of the few sports cars your average motor journalist could actually afford to own. Maybe thats what bothers them?

DAEMANO · 10-20-2016, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf

A little harsh, maybe.... but well written. They also bring up some very valid points about cross shopped possibilities and the overall fate of the vehicle.

Disagree... I find the article to be a poor example of journalism because it can't seem to get out of the author's own misguided perspective about the BRZ's design/performance goals. Where the author should start is at Toyota & Subaru's actual stated design, performance and market goals. Not his impression of it. This is a sophomoric approach that shouldn't have made it past an editor.

The article spends most of its' time talking about cars that are not seriously cross shopped with BRZ's by anyone other than hairdressers and hockey moms who would probably end up with a Veloster anyhow. If a person wants a BIG coupe wannabe muscle car (like an Ecotec Mustang or entry level Camaro), they buy one. Not a straw weight sports car.

Lastly, a second generation has all but been confirmed by the head of Subaru. The fate of the car is to continue to be produced. The article is crap.

Summerwolf · 10-20-2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Disagree... I find the article to be a very poor example of journalism because it can't seem to get out of the author's own misguided perspective about the BRZ's design/performance goals instead of Toyota/Subaru's actual stated design, performance and market goals. This is a sophomoric approach that shouldn't have made it to print.

The article spends most of its' time talking about cars that are not seriously cross shopped with BRZ's by anyone other than hairdressers and hockey moms who would probably end up with a Veloster anyhow. If a person wants a BIG powerful coupe, they buy one. Not a straw weight sports car.

Lastly, a second generation has all but been confirmed by the head of Subaru. The fate of the car is to continue to be produced. The article is crap.

IDK, the author hit the highlights (and low lights) of the refresh and gave some performance comparisons.

Judging by how many people "upgrade" to mustangs, 370z's, Camaros etc I would say the cross shopping example is, at least somewhat valid.

Nissans 240 lasted several generations as well..... Guess what everyone in America wanted in their car? The SR20 from the Japanese cars that was refused to the North American market. Still the most common swap for the KA when it goes (although LS swaps are becoming more common!)

SuperDave · 10-20-2016, 02:12 PM

Relax bro

Tcoat · 10-20-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf

IDK, the author hit the highlights (and low lights) of the refresh and gave some performance comparisons.

Judging by how many people "upgrade" to mustangs, 370z's, Camaros etc I would say the cross shopping example is, at least somewhat valid.

Nissans 240 lasted several generations as well..... Guess what everyone in America wanted in their car? The SR20 from the Japanese cars that was refused to the North American market. Still the most common swap for the KA when it goes (although LS swaps are becoming more common!)

You are doing it again! Not "everyone" wanted any such thing. A small but vocal minority maybe but still a far cry from "everyone". The swaps may be the most common TALKED ABOUT but I bet just as many of the stock engines (if they can be found) went back in than were swapped.The FRS/86/BRZ are the same way. A minority want more HP but since they speak up and the ones that are happy don't the perception is "everyone" wants it.

prj3ctm4yh3m · 10-20-2016, 02:25 PM

"light, cheap, fast: pick two"

the armchair demand for everything all at once is insufferable.

you ask them "how about a 370Z??" "yea but...it's too heavyyyy"

dunno what they want exactly.

new2subaru · 10-20-2016, 02:55 PM

What's wrong with the Veloster?

prj3ctm4yh3m · 10-20-2016, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by new2subaru

What's wrong with the Veloster?

everything lol.

been in a fiesta St alot lately. i get it. its a GREAT CAR. 207ft lb at like what 3500 rpm???

buuut, its cheap and FWD. i appreciate both brz and fist for what they are.

these C&D yahoos would make better use of their time lobbying porsche to drop 718 prices down out of the stratosphere. sheesh.

ScoobsMcGee · 10-20-2016, 03:07 PM

Sorry, can't read the article. Too busy enjoying my 2015 to care.

funwheeldrive · 10-20-2016, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by new2subaru

What's wrong with the Veloster?

What is right with it?

NLSP · 10-20-2016, 03:14 PM

They clearly only care about numbers and stats...on a car that excels at things that can't be measured by numbers and stats. And they obviously haven't seen the threads on here about FRS/BRZ owners who traded in for a pony car and regretted it.

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Summerwolf Panda Trueno Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: No twin now. Location: North Indiana Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 2,113 Thanked 2,407 Times in 1,332 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	A little harsh, maybe.... but well written. They also bring up some very valid points about cross shopped possibilities and the overall fate of the vehicle.

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Lantana frs Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Drives: 13 frs red Location: Lantana fl Posts: 448 Thanks: 51 Thanked 198 Times in 115 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Even oem turbo cars can be grenades. No thanks. Ironically the 86 is one of the few sports cars your average motor journalist could actually afford to own. Maybe thats what bothers them?

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prj3ctm4yh3m Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Drives: CRV AWD 5MT Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 183 Thanks: 84 Thanked 69 Times in 43 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	"light, cheap, fast: pick two" the armchair demand for everything all at once is insufferable. you ask them "how about a 370Z??" "yea but...it's too heavyyyy" dunno what they want exactly.

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new2subaru Weight Weenie Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: 15 FR-S Location: Canada Posts: 2,586 Thanks: 5,016 Thanked 2,330 Times in 1,346 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What's wrong with the Veloster?

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