Anyone not buying to avoid early issues like 1st gen FRS?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

But the convertible had sliding rear side windows. The pop out ones were probably just used because they’re cheaper. No regulator, and the pop out mechanism was used in a bunch of 90s coupes and hatches, probably because A/C wasn’t standard on most cars. The next 3 series coupe they just made the rear side windows fixed.

The convertible has a taller but narrower window that will fit down between the door frame and the rear wheel well. The wider window of the coupe would just not have space to go down into. Sure they could have made the window narrower but that would spoil the roof line.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The convertible has a taller but narrower window that will fit down between the door frame and the rear wheel well. The wider window of the coupe would just not have space to go down into. Sure they could have made the window narrower but that would spoil the roof line.

Good point, I never realized how much smaller they were.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Good point, I never realized how much smaller they were.

The only other way to deal with the space issues are those bloody stupid only go half way down rear windows some makes use. Why bother when it will only open 3 inches?

[pzerok]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The car was never designed for FI from the start and heat is certainly a factor. They always have said they will never go turbo. Not sure how it is a surprise to anybody that it is not set up for nor "easy" for them to do it and meet the demands they need to meet.
Sure you can slap one into it but that does not mean they can.
As I have said 1,000 times there will never be a factory turbo Twin no matter what the internet armchair experts may think.

They've always maintained they won't Turbo the twins but people keep "hoping". This is just like how everyone keeps "hoping" there will be a manual Supra. Is it a non-zero chance? Maybe. Is it likely though? Probably not.

There's already quite a small gap between the new model's ~220hp and the 2.0L Supra's ~250hp. They may want to keep the gap clear.

[EAGLE5]

I have this terrible 1st year FRS issue called power oversteer on command with only 200HP. I'll never buy a 1st year car again.

[EAGLE5]

There are a ton of turbo and supercharged twins. Anybody waiting for Toyota and Subaru to do the job for them are nincompoops. Do it yourself.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

There are a ton of turbo and supercharged twins. Anybody waiting for Toyota and Subaru to do the job for them are nincompoops. Do it yourself.

Is there a turbo kit that is close to OEM quality though? The Works kit is the only one that comes to mind, but IIRC the power bump isn’t much. As far as superchargers only the Harrop kit really works well. Any Rotrex unit needs stupid friction fluid and the Edelbrock unit has MAF reading issues.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Is there a turbo kit that is close to OEM quality though? The Works kit is the only one that comes to mind, but IIRC the power bump isn’t much. As far as superchargers only the Harrop kit really works well. Any Rotrex unit needs stupid friction fluid and the Edelbrock unit has MAF reading issues.

The power bump for Works turbo kit is right near 100HP, which in terms of OEM style, sounds like way plenty for this car. I wouldn't expect any more, as reliability issues will start to creep up.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Is there a turbo kit that is close to OEM quality though? The Works kit is the only one that comes to mind, but IIRC the power bump isn’t much. As far as superchargers only the Harrop kit really works well. Any Rotrex unit needs stupid friction fluid and the Edelbrock unit has MAF reading issues.

The power bump from a stock one wouldn't be much either. And the OEM "quality" could be hit and miss as well really. Besides a Supra priced Twin would probably kill it not sell more.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Is there a turbo kit that is close to OEM quality though? The Works kit is the only one that comes to mind, but IIRC the power bump isn’t much. As far as superchargers only the Harrop kit really works well. Any Rotrex unit needs stupid friction fluid and the Edelbrock unit has MAF reading issues.

Not many complaints about SBD, and they're cheap. Get one and a conservative custom tune and you'll be golden.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

Not many complaints about SBD, and they're cheap. Get one and a conservative custom tune and you'll be golden.

Sorry, but a Greddy knockoff isn’t even close to what I’d call OEM-like. The exhaust manifold design alone turns me off, a rigid manifold cantilevered out in front, it’s like asking for it to crack. The bumper beam modification is a hard no for me too, Crash structure is extremely sensitive to changes which will affect how it crumples. I want it to crumple exactly as Subaru designed it to, no more, no less, and the same shape. Personally I want to keep the primary cat as a minimum as well.

The only 2 FI kits that satisfy me from a design aspect are Harrop and Works. Every other kit has too many compromises or weird workarounds like a custom front sway bar, cut crash structure or 2 miles of cold piping.The works kit loses the OEM strut tower braces which I don’t like at all but at least you can fit a tower-to-tower bar. The Coyoda turbo kit designed by Turboyoda looked good too but I don’t think they ever got it in production.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Sorry, but a Greddy knockoff isn’t even close to what I’d call OEM-like. The exhaust manifold design alone turns me off, a rigid manifold cantilevered out in front, it’s like asking for it to crack. The bumper beam modification is a hard no for me too, Crash structure is extremely sensitive to changes which will affect how it crumples. I want it to crumple exactly as Subaru designed it to, no more, no less, and the same shape. Personally I want to keep the primary cat as a minimum as well.

The only 2 FI kits that satisfy me from a design aspect are Harrop and Works. Every other kit has too many compromises or weird workarounds like a custom front sway bar, cut crash structure or 2 miles of cold piping.The works kit loses the OEM strut tower braces which I don’t like at all but at least you can fit a tower-to-tower bar. The Coyoda turbo kit designed by Turboyoda looked good too but I don’t think they ever got it in production.

Sounds like you have two options you're happy with, then. What's to be unhappy about? Why wait? Go for it.

[Dave-ROR]

Buy early. Wreck early.

That way I can buy early too!

[vintagemxer]

My 2000 Dodge Ram has pop out back windows, and I love them

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

But the convertible had sliding rear side windows. The pop out ones were probably just used because they’re cheaper. No regulator, and the pop out mechanism was used in a bunch of 90s coupes and hatches, probably because A/C wasn’t standard on most cars. The next 3 series coupe they just made the rear side windows fixed.