Toyota FT-86 Price Poll

[Giccin]

Watch. Curve ball~~

@27k Base price. Scion.

LOL

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Dimman

$17,495 USD
$22,163 USD (Canadian price converted to USD)

Same car.

Before ridiculous Canadian tax.

The car companies are also trying to say that some safety or anti-theft component is different between the US and Canadian models so the US ones are 'unsafe' to import (legal issue, but total and complete BS!). Trying to prevent cross-border shopping to prop up thieving Canadian dealers.

(Not just Subaru...)

Just did a quick check with Toyota Mexico vs. Toyota USA....the base corolla in Mexico is $3k more expensive.

Edit: Toyota Canada and Toyota USA's base prices are basically exact. Accounting for the difference in dollars now, you pay ~$1,500 more for that Corolla. How much is the sales tax in Canada, btw? Is it setup different for each...uh, territory? (dunno what you call 'em), or is it a flat nationwide Sales tax?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Just did a quick check with Toyota Mexico vs. Toyota USA....the base corolla in Mexico is $3k more expensive.

Edit: Toyota Canada and Toyota USA's base prices are basically exact. Accounting for the difference in dollars now, you pay ~$1,500 more for that Corolla. How much is the sales tax in Canada, btw? Is it setup different for each...uh, territory? (dunno what you call 'em), or is it a flat nationwide Sales tax?

It's errr... confusing. We used to have separate national (5% GST) and Provincial (PST, varies) taxes, but lately they've been combining them into 'harmonized' (HST) taxes. But not all of the provinces have done this. And oil-rich Alberta only pays the 5% GST. In my province it's 12% (plus a ton of hidden enviro fees on cars). Also we have an included (hidden so people forget) carbon tax, as well as a Translink tax`(technically a private transit company that can tax us, probably illegal but hidden so people forget) on gas. ($1.408/L as of yesterday near me)

What's bullshit is the fake safety and security differences that the companies claim to try to make it illegal to import a new US car into Canada (I'm 40 minutes from a border crossing). Thus the extra $5k for an Impreza. I've heard it's even more with diesel trucks and luxury cars...

Also buying an out of province car requires a government inspection to be insured in the new province. Even if it's brand new. This is so I don't drive 5 hours to Alberta to save 7% on tax.

If I'm a bit ranty about this it's because we had our election today, and I've been reminded how much I hate government regs and politicians ALL DAY...

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Dimman

It's errr... confusing. We used to have separate national (5% GST) and Provincial (PST, varies) taxes, but lately they've been combining them into 'harmonized' (HST) taxes. But not all of the provinces have done this. And oil-rich Alberta only pays the 5% GST. In my province it's 12% (plus a ton of hidden enviro fees on cars). Also we have an included (hidden so people forget) carbon tax, as well as a Translink tax`(technically a private transit company that can tax us, probably illegal but hidden so people forget) on gas. ($1.408/L as of yesterday near me)

What's bullshit is the fake safety and security differences that the companies claim to try to make it illegal to import a new US car into Canada (I'm 40 minutes from a border crossing). Thus the extra $5k for an Impreza. I've heard it's even more with diesel trucks and luxury cars...

Also buying an out of province car requires a government inspection to be insured in the new province. Even if it's brand new. This is so I don't drive 5 hours to Alberta to save 7% on tax.

If I'm a bit ranty about this it's because we had our election today, and I've been reminded how much I hate government regs and politicians ALL DAY...

Wow....thanks for reminding me that its great to live in the U.S.A. I DO NOT want your government....at all.

In Tennessee we pay:
9.825% in sales tax
Then a county wheel tax upon registering the car (if your county even has a wheel tax). Mine was like..$75 last year.
$10 fee (Tax) for going through emissions....
And like $30 registration fee (Tax)

Yours sounds much more....err, much less desirable.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Wow....thanks for reminding me that its great to live in the U.S.A. I DO NOT want your government....at all.

In Tennessee we pay:
9.825% in sales tax
Then a county wheel tax upon registering the car (if your county even has a wheel tax). Mine was like..$75 last year.
$10 fee (Tax) for going through emissions....
And like $30 registration fee (Tax)

Yours sounds much more....err, much less desirable.

The hilarious thing about the companies trying to ban new imports on super-minor safety and security is the flip side: I own a JDM Supra, it is provincially inspected and insurable as soon as I pass emissions.

You would think that the steering wheel ON THE WRONG FREAKIN' SIDE would be an issue. Not at all. But a little electronic difference in the immobilizer of new cars. Trouble. Go figure.

I can't really complain too loudly due to the availability of inexpensive JDM goodness.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Wow....thanks for reminding me that its great to live in the U.S.A. I DO NOT want your government....at all.

In Tennessee we pay:
9.825% in sales tax
Then a county wheel tax upon registering the car (if your county even has a wheel tax). Mine was like..$75 last year.
$10 fee (Tax) for going through emissions....
And like $30 registration fee (Tax)

Yours sounds much more....err, much less desirable.

I thought California was bad...I flipped when I saw the tax on a 775 dollar notebook I'm planning to buy was 72 dollars.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I thought California was bad...I flipped when I saw the tax on a 775 dollar notebook I'm planning to buy was 72 dollars.

Buy online.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by Dimman

The hilarious thing about the companies trying to ban new imports on super-minor safety and security is the flip side: I own a JDM Supra, it is provincially inspected and insurable as soon as I pass emissions.

You would think that the steering wheel ON THE WRONG FREAKIN' SIDE would be an issue. Not at all. But a little electronic difference in the immobilizer of new cars. Trouble. Go figure.

I can't really complain too loudly due to the availability of inexpensive JDM goodness.

Actually, I think it is not that hard to import cars from USA into Canada, whether new or old. Transport Canada published a guideline about how to import cars into Canada, and here is a website that I googled that lists the steps: http://www.importcartocanada.info/

With the latest currency rate, I would see there would be a flock of people who will go to US to import cars. I know my colleague did that a while back (2009?) and they form a team of people to buy Subaru's (outbacks, tribecas, and others I think) and import them into Canada. According to him, he saved about 5K from the overall process.

Here is the website from Transport Canada:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/s...-index-445.htm

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Buy online.

Online vendors sometimes charge this tax because they have multiple locations to ship from...in my case it is a Lenovo X220. I don't really know how this stuff works though, I know if you order from a store in another state you don't get charged tax, but these laptops ship from overseas so...

Anyways, sucks to live in California, a ton of the online retailers are here like Newegg (among many many more electronics etailers)...well I guess that's part of the deal for getting awesome weather.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I thought California was bad...I flipped when I saw the tax on a 775 dollar notebook I'm planning to buy was 72 dollars.

Its actually 9.285, got some numbers mixed up.

The thing about Tennessee is we don't have a state income tax, unlike many states, including Cali, that's the reason our sales tax is somewhat higher than other states, which have a collective sales and income tax.

The pro to a sales tax only state is that sales tax is, by and large, mostly your choice. Unlike dishing out taxes from your income check to both the state and feds, you can make a choice on whether to buy something or not, aka, you chose to be taxed or not. Like Matador said, a great way around this is just to buy online and skip the sales tax completely.

Imo it would suck to see my paycheck lowered twice by two income taxes, then go to a store to buy something for my computer, and have to pony up yet another tax.

[serialk11r]

Oh we have 9.25% here, but it's "temporary", going to expire next year or so, then it'll go down to 8.25% again if they don't pass legislation reinstating it for 5 more years. It was passed to help fill in the giant budget holes, but we all know how that went...stupid politicians.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Oh we have 9.25% here, but it's "temporary", going to expire next year or so, then it'll go down to 8.25% again if they don't pass legislation reinstating it for 5 more years. It was passed to help fill in the giant budget holes, but we all know how that went...stupid politicians.

Tennessee also has lower corporate taxes, which has really helped the job market around Nashville.

Nissan USA moved its corporate HQ from L.A., to Franklin, literally, 2 miles from where I used to live. I'm still sending my resume in on every job opening there. You never know!

It was probably a 2 part deal. The Corporate HQ would be closer to its main USA plant (located in Smyrna, which is literally 5 miles from where I currently live), and they would be paying lower state corporate taxes and local property taxes. Williamson Co. isn't cheap, but I betcha its a helluva lot cheaper on business/property taxes than L.A.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Its actually 9.285, got some numbers mixed up.

The thing about Tennessee is we don't have a state income tax, unlike many states, including Cali, that's the reason our sales tax is somewhat higher than other states, which have a collective sales and income tax.

The pro to a sales tax only state is that sales tax is, by and large, mostly your choice. Unlike dishing out taxes from your income check to both the state and feds, you can make a choice on whether to buy something or not, aka, you chose to be taxed or not. Like Matador said, a great way around this is just to buy online and skip the sales tax completely.

Imo it would suck to see my paycheck lowered twice by two income taxes, then go to a store to buy something for my computer, and have to pony up yet another tax.

Another benefit you guys with no income tax have is that if you live close to a border state, just make the short drive over for your big purchases (TV, furniture, electronics, nice clothes...etc.). Obviously this won't work for many people but for some it will.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

Actually, I think it is not that hard to import cars from USA into Canada, whether new or old. Transport Canada published a guideline about how to import cars into Canada, and here is a website that I googled that lists the steps: http://www.importcartocanada.info/

With the latest currency rate, I would see there would be a flock of people who will go to US to import cars. I know my colleague did that a while back (2009?) and they form a team of people to buy Subaru's (outbacks, tribecas, and others I think) and import them into Canada. According to him, he saved about 5K from the overall process.

Here is the website from Transport Canada:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/s...-index-445.htm

On this page:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safev...planations.htm

Go to section 9 and the immobilizer part. There was some manufacturer funny-business about the immobilizers that made them non-compliant unless they were modified, and if you see the part (won't let me cut-and-paste for some reason) about how manufacturers claim that it will affect safety and warranty, how many shops would do it with liability risks hanging over their head?

The problem was with whether their immobilizers (purely electronics) were compliant or not was by manufacturer's self disclosure.

It was a bit of a controversy in Subaru groups when there was about a $10k difference between US and Canadian STIs (even before our dollar was as high as it is now...). They may have been called out by agencies due to public outcry since that time though...