First Production Subaru BRZ Teaser Images!

[Crashoverride]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

First off WheelFast, I want your truck.

Second, as it stands right now it's less than $2000 difference.

The pallet available for Subaru vehicles are more mature and better(subjective) looking than the metallic candy colors and flat glosses Scion will have. Plasma Blue(would be my choice since I'm a fan of the old BRP) will be a hit along with Lightning Red and Satin White Pearl.

Colors choices can make or break a car sale.

Agree'ed your truck is awesome, I for one will go the TRD route, I like the toyota version better or I just have never been a Subi fan, I think the TRD version\upgrades make the car look clean.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Yeah, same dimensions but are both manufactures going to use the same exact tire brand? That might be the difference even though both are 45 series, on might have a deeper thead depth adding that extra .6".

I know, that's why I included you in the quote b/c would a .6" make a significant difference to most of us!? Probably not!

Watch, I bet we'll see threads about .6 mpg difference between Chevron and Shell gasoline!

Do you think Subaru is going to keep two different sets for the same car to use depending on the badge? :P No.

It's not really that significant UNLESS there is something different when it's supposed to be exactly the same car. 15mm is about the average lowering in Porsche sport suspensions, BMWs, Hondas, etc so if 15mm is the difference in reality than it means something IS different, which COULD be significant. The height itself is not, but the parts that are causing it to be different might be.

[ydooby]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Do you think Subaru is going to keep two different sets for the same car to use depending on the badge? :P No.

It's not really that significant UNLESS there is something different when it's supposed to be exactly the same car. 15mm is about the average lowering in Porsche sport suspensions, BMWs, Hondas, etc so if 15mm is the difference in reality than it means something IS different, which COULD be significant. The height itself is not, but the parts that are causing it to be different might be.

Exactly. It's not about how small the height difference is, but about how they're different. If the reason of their difference is in different suspension tuning or just different suspension altogether, it could be significant.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

Hmmm, i think many of us are going to buy replica/used BRZ Front Bumpers and stick em on our Scions!

I can totally see that happening LOL

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

Hmmm, i think many of us are going to buy replica/used BRZ Front Bumpers and stick em on our Scions!

Case in point about most Scion owners. You won't see many, if any, Subaru owners buy Scion parts to put on their Subaru. Be proud of your car and don't molest it.

[AIRMAX]

Originally Posted by Dark

Not gonna happen with not-so-friendly CR ratio of the engine.

Well turbo or not, the point is...

the Subaru version is BETTER looking, BETTER performance for more cost.

A lot of people who were planning to buy the Toyota version can simply add an extra $4000-$5000 to get a much better looking Front Bumper, Tail lights and Off the factory tuning that increases the performance.

I think there's a big enough market for those people.


Let's face it, out of all the AERO and TRD kits... which would cost $2000-$3000 anyways, the Subaru Front Bumper and Rear lamps are "hot" enough to upgrade from Toyota version to Subaru.

[Aki]

Enhanced the lighting and made it blue:

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Do you think Subaru is going to keep two different sets for the same car to use depending on the badge? :P No.

It's not really that significant UNLESS there is something different when it's supposed to be exactly the same car. 15mm is about the average lowering in Porsche sport suspensions, BMWs, Hondas, etc so if 15mm is the difference in reality than it means something IS different, which COULD be significant. The height itself is not, but the parts that are causing it to be different might be.

The 2) Subaru's in the mag test both had different suspension as well as different tires. It is possible that both manufactures can use shocks as well as different tires which will change the specs. They'll be identical with the same but there will be a slight variation.

[NorCalRider]

Originally Posted by Dark

Not gonna happen with not-so-friendly CR ratio of the engine.

It's not the CR ratio that is a limiting factor, 12.5 is doable in a turbo application. The limiting factor will be the availability of a good tuning solution for the D4-S fuel system and how the engine is designed, along with how the internals are made.

[ruskymx]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Yeah, same dimensions but are both manufactures going to use the same exact tire brand? That might be the difference even though both are 45 series, on might have a deeper thead depth adding that extra .6".

I know for sure that this is not the case because most tires will have anywhere from 8-12/32nd's of tread depth and that equals 6.35mm to 9.525mm of tread depth on brand new tires. The only time the tread depth gets greater for cars would be for snow tires. My brand new BFG Mud Terrain KM2's have 20/32's of depth new and that equals 15.88mm.

The difference in height would either be tire size, 215/45/17 (24.7" diameter) compared to 225/45/17 (25" diameter) would be .3" or 7.5mm or the ride height of the two cars could be different due to springs etc. I highly doubt that they are going to use two different shells/unibodies for the different versions. It would drive up cost of production too much for a relatively lower volume car (in comparison to Corolla/Impreza, etc)

Until I see official releases from Toyota/Subaru for the USDM, I'm not counting on anything that comes out through these leaks etc. It's not that I don't love all the info coming out recently, but I don't want to get disappointed when something doesn't make it across the pond.

The counter on the top is this page is moving too darn slow!

[Caliban]

awesome news! thanks for the update

[jadamian75]

Wow it looks great. I really like the light around the head light. I'm glad I did not buy that miata I test drove this weekend.
Joe

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by AIRMAX

I'm not sure what Toyota was thinking....

Now...
The Subaru version is not only... a little bit better performance wise, it is also smaller and BETTER looking front and rear.


Toyota just lost about 25% potential sales, who will no doubt fork the extra $4000-$5000 to get a more "mature" and "prestige" looking version.


Unless the Toyota comes out with a turbo, many people who waited and current owners of 350z/370z/Genesis etc who are looking for a newer car will opt for the Subaru version.... Looks Audi-ish with Mazda touch.... which is GOOD.

The delinquent looking rear tail lights of the Toyota only really appeals to the really young, like 18-21 year olds.... they need to offer a "red" cover tail lights off the factory.... many people do not want to mod their rear lamps within the first year or 2 due to warranty purposes.....

I still like the Toyota version better! I don't like the BRZ front grille. But the rest of the car is tight! I need to see the whole car like the FR-S.

Just because the Japanese version of the FT-86 has the clear taillights does not mean the US version will have them...

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by ydooby

For the record I still prefer the Toyota's front end, and depending whether the BRZ will go with the test mule's rear (which looks identical to the FT-86's) or the BRZ STi Concept's rear (which I prefer), I think the FT-86 may still be the better looking of the two to me. And the BRZ is not any smaller than the FT-86; they're identical. The smaller dimensions quoted in the first post of the thread are of the BRZ Prologue Concept.

I agree with you. I like the Toyota version better. The front grill is keeping going to the scion dealer...but I need to see the BRZ production rear end.