2022 Twin to STR

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by DocWalt

I had MCS 2W on my CS/STR ND, I don't miss them. Yes they're built really well and all but I'm happier with my Shaftworks valving. I do kinda want to get them converted to doubles at some point, but meh. Not spending money on something that won't add much/any pace.

Same here. I also used to have MCS 2WNRs but now have Bilanx singles from Shaftworks.

[DocWalt]

Originally Posted by Kelse92

There’s too many vocal people in STS to make changes to STS IMO.
I think STS would be great with diffs in general honestly, VLSD’s are getting very hard to find.
ST* could use a re-org but one thing at a time SP needs more help first.

I actually asked a lot of STS folks and they seemed to be in support, generally speaking.

VLSD units can be swapped into just about any NA diff, but the actual LSD isn't serviceable. Not really a long term path forward there and I think at least one STS NA has blown up a diff at every national event this year, it seems. The Hondas just have horrible parts availability in general these days. I love STS but the cars are as old as I am.

I know the SP reorg is happening but it's a different committee for ST and I'd probably give people a couple of year warning/sunset period to let people figure out what they want to do.

If it was up to me I'd clean slate autocross in general, but it's not... so

[steverife]

It is now 8 years since I've owned an STS Honda and parts availability was an issue then. You just can't get stuff like the check valves that keeps your gas in your gas tank.

[Eric1855]

For several years there, back in the day, when you could run a STS car in STX the EF Civics were swapping in Diffs and doing very well. Those things were a blast to drive in ST prep with a proper LSD.

But yeah, even when I was running STS in one in like 2014-2015 it was getting super tough to find parts and spares. It does make sense that STS needs a refresh, sometime soon, the cars are now over 30 years old so some sort of future plan or glidepath would be nice and it'd make sense for certain popular cars like the twin, spyder, NB, etc to be the "new" STS

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Kelse92

There’s too many vocal people in STS to make changes to STS IMO.
I think STS would be great with diffs in general honestly, VLSD’s are getting very hard to find.
ST* could use a re-org but one thing at a time SP needs more help first.

ST seems pretty healthy to me, and with currently 31 entries it's not like STS needs any help. STH is the only class that's lagging but they have more entrants then any SP class last I checked.

No argument it's on it's way out, but let it die a natural death imho.

Guess I'm in the minority that ST doesn't really need an overhaul, could it be better sure, but it's tweaks, not shuffling a bunch of classes or big takebacks. NB/Spyder/Mk1 twins, just keep 'em all in STX, when STS numbers start diving merge those cars into STH/STX as appropriate, it's not like there's a new class of cars on the horizon to build a class around.

[DocWalt]

Toledo ProSolo! Super fun, even with the wrong car for STR. 500 pounds more weight than the ND Miata on the same tire is going to be hard to make up for. We whiffed on setup big time on day one, big thanks to Jon Lugod at Shaftworks USA for an all new setup to try on Sunday. The car was magical.

Weather all weekend was whacky. The entire morning session on Saturday was thrown out with thunderstorms, so we ran 6 runs in the afternoon instead of four. That meant no time to test anything really and Amy got stuck in drying conditions both days since of course it rained again overnight into Sunday.

Amy drove extremely well, just had bad luck getting away from the tree because of the changing conditions of the start line.

Here's Amy's fastest left, unfortunately the line dried up and she red lit :

Here's Amy's fastest right, tagged a cone somewhere:

Here's my fastest left side run, not much left on the table for me:

Here's my fastest right side run which was the first run on the fixed setup so I was feeling it out, I tagged a cone and got in the marbles badly on my second right side run and threw that away. Oh well!

In other news, comparison between my left side and fastest STX left side:

[DocWalt]

Surprising nobody, we've done a bunch of testing locally and determined that new twin, S2000, and NC are all around the same pace... and the ND is a good deal quicker.


Please, go write letters to move the ND to its own class (maybe with Fiata) so we can have a solid STR class in 2024 where multiple cars can fight for the win instead of just one.

[e1_griego]

I wrote that letter last week.

Really optimistic about the outcome because I think it makes perfect sense.

[DocWalt]

Originally Posted by e1_griego

I wrote that letter last week.

Really optimistic about the outcome because I think it makes perfect sense.

Which means it won't happen

[e1_griego]

My nats codriver is the chair of the STAC. We've had quite a bit of conversation about it. It doesn't mean the letter carries any more or less weight, but I feel like there is enough support for this one thing that it may actually move.

Ultimately it doesn't hurt the ND which I think is what makes it the most compelling fix.

[foshjowler]

STMiata makes a lot of sense. It should always be the car to have for multiple classes.

[MacSpeed]

Originally Posted by DocWalt

Surprising nobody, we've done a bunch of testing locally and determined that new twin, S2000, and NC are all around the same pace... and the ND is a good deal quicker.


Please, go write letters to move the ND to its own class (maybe with Fiata) so we can have a solid STR class in 2024 where multiple cars can fight for the win instead of just one.

Just submitted one. Asked to bump them to STU, or create their own ST class and bring Fiata down with it, or Bump to STU and create a spec like like SSC for those that don't want a early twin.

Also asked for S2k to be brought back to the R mix. SST is just dumb unless they intentionally burred it due to cost/age/availability.

[steverife]

I don't understand why, but apparently (some) S2K wanted it. Or at least wider wheels.

[DocWalt]

Originally Posted by steverife

I don't understand why, but apparently (some) S2K wanted it. Or at least wider wheels.

They were buried in STR so it was pretty much "hey this is dumb, let us run wider wheels and run STU?"

but instead SST happened and nobody in an S2k cared. Every region local to me just lets S2ks run STR if they're still on 9" wide wheels