Got a track related question? I'll try to answer.

[ayau]

Also forgot to mention karting. All the great F1 drivers started out karting.

[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by nyfries

I just had my first autox event yesterday and I'm hooked. I want to do more HPDE event. However cost is a major concern. At around $50 a pop autox is very affordable for me. However I feel like it's not the best learning environment for a noob. Granted I had so much fun. Should I continue to do autox event or should I save up and do few track days to really learn driving techniques before going back to autox?

Your $/min of driving at a HPDE is significantly better than your $/min at an Auto-x. Also most good HPDE Programs include classroom and in-car instructors as well.

-Mike Paisan


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[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by ayau

I think it'll depend on your goal. Track events are cheaper when you consider driving time per dollar spent. However, if you don't have an instructor to guide you, then you may not really learn anything either. I think the best way to do as many events as possible with an instructor riding next to you. Have a bunch of different instructors as some may be better than others.

This isn't exactly a cheap hobby, and I think it's important to have realistic goals.

Along with this groups like NASA allow you to volunteer to help run the event, in return you get free track time. That helps you get A LOT of track time for free!

-Mike Paisan


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[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by AZP Installs

Your $/min of driving at a HPDE is significantly better than your $/min at an Auto-x. Also most good HPDE Programs include classroom and in-car instructors as well.

-Mike Paisan

Originally Posted by AZP Installs

Along with this groups like NASA allow you to volunteer to help run the event, in return you get free track time. That helps you get A LOT of track time for free!

-Mike Paisan

The two main reasons we started off with NASA.

Instructors at every event
Work for track time

[SirBrass]

I just signed up with NASA last week.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

[nyfries]

Don't know any local clubs that offer free track time with volunteering. But I do know they offer free autox run at the end of the season for volunteers.

I'm going to sign up for a local event that offer lecture on driving technique and few hour of autox rans with instructor. Should be very helpful for me. Still want to try a track day though haha

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by AZP Installs

Your $/min of driving at a HPDE is significantly better than your $/min at an Auto-x. Also most good HPDE Programs include classroom and in-car instructors as well.

-Mike Paisan

This is what sold me on HPDE ($/min).

Also both will take most of your day, but you get 2 hrs on-track at an HPDE (plus classroom) vs. 6 minutes at autocross.

[EAGLE5]

I think you're going to rip your head off in a crash, or more likely snap your neck. The Schroth belt is designed to let your body move forward in a crash. The HANS will hold your head back towards the bar or seat. Body forward, head stays... not good.

I used to think a harness bar and Profi ASM was a good idea. However, after seeing some crash photos and thinking things through, I realized that a lot is wrong with that setup. Either your body should move towards the airbags, using a completely stock system, or you should have a full cage with a proper seat bolted into the harness bar of a cage. I suppose you could risk a race seat bolted to a harness bar, with HANS and a real 5-pt belt, but then you'd better have a damn good harness bar that won't move or bend when your body yanks on it.

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Every helmet with HANS anchors either out of the box or later is "drilled" to fit the anchors. As long as the measurements are correct and the anchors are legit with the proper reinforcements, you can trust it. I had a professional drill and install anchors for $55. Worth it to me to keep using my SA2005 for a while longer.

Price breakdown:

Agency Power bolt-in harness bar: $600

Schroth Profi II ASM FE 4-point harnesses (black/pull down with clip-in lap belt ends and 01324 hardware kit): $354

My HANS sport II is a hand-me-down from my dad since he sold his race car but they are $585 new

G Force Pro Eliminator helmet: $250

Those prices are all before tax/shipping and discounts. I highly recommend Discovery Parts for all the gear besides the harness bar.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

I think you're going to rip your head off in a crash, or more likely snap your neck. The Schroth belt is designed to let your body move forward in a crash. The HANS will hold your head back towards the bar or seat. Body forward, head stays... not good.

I don't think you fully understand how a HANS device works. It is not securing your head/helmet to the harness bar or the seat in an impact. It is essentially securing your head to the harnesses and not allowing it to snap forward and injure your neck/spine. The HANS moves with your body in an impact and is secured by the harnesses at the moment of impact, at that moment the HANS keeps your head from snapping forward. The inboard ASM belt stretches at a different rate than the outboard belt to allow a slight torso twist to prevent submarining, but it doesn't inhibit HANS functionality or effectiveness according Schroth's sled testing results.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXg3OzHRMMY"]SCHROTH RACING - FHR - HANS Crash Test - YouTube[/ame]

Body forward, head stays parallel to spine...good!

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

I used to think a harness bar and Profi ASM was a good idea. However, after seeing some crash photos and thinking things through, I realized that a lot is wrong with that setup. Either your body should move towards the airbags, using a completely stock system, or you should have a full cage with a proper seat bolted into the harness bar of a cage. I suppose you could risk a race seat bolted to a harness bar, with HANS and a real 5-pt belt, but then you'd better have a damn good harness bar that won't move or bend when your body yanks on it.

Meh. I'll keep trusting the guys doing the actual sled testing. My harness bar is bolted to 4 of the stock seat belt mounting points and it is extremely rigid and the tubing is heavy gauge steel.

From: http://www.schrothracing.com/competi...m/profi-II-asm

...it is perfect for use in Driver Education cars or any other application where stock seats are retained. A seat that was not originally desiged for use with a racing restraint should never be modified to accept an sub strap.

The Profi II ASM incorporates Schroth's legendary ASM (Anti-SubMarining) technology that is the only thing like it on the market. ASM is an extra fold of material sewn into the inboard shoulder belt that elongates at a different rate than the outboard belt. This allows your upper torso to twist slightly. On the rebound phase, your torso is planted firmly back in the seat rather than allowed to slide under the lap belt.

You can add a single or dual sub strap to make this belt into a 5 point or 6 point at any time. We have recently tested this harness with a HANS device, and the results were great.You can use 4 point ASM Harnesses with a HANS device.

[becauseracecar1]

What tire pressures are recommended for stock tires at the track? Should I start with one pressure and lower it as the day goes on? Thank you!!


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[ZionsWrath]

Just installed xp10 for track day. Should ibtry to bed on street (and how) or just go to track as is?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Just installed xp10 for track day. Should ibtry to bed on street (and how) or just go to track as is?

First time? Do it at the track. Just driving on track will naturally star the process to bed them, although you may not get them hot enough your first time out.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by becauseracecar1

What tire pressures are recommended for stock tires at the track? Should I start with one pressure and lower it as the day goes on? Thank you!!


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Start at 35 cold, and bleed the air out as the day goes on. Check immediately after you cmoe off the track. Stay in the 38-42 range.

[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

Has anyone tried Stop Tech Street Performance pads on the track? Picked up a set ultra cheap and figure they can't be any worse than my stock ones were...