2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[OrbitalEllipses]

Before everyone started bitching, did anyone check if there was a $25K car that had HIDs, premium audio twitter facebook fuckingstupid thing, and push start with proximity? I'm going to guess there isn't. So... Y U MAD?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

The FR-S will be a bit faster than the BRZ, because it will weigh a bit less.

The WSJ got a 6.0 secs 0 to 60 on the BRZ, so upper 5 secs is possible on a FR-S.

MT got a 6.4 and their launches are generally abusive. This car is not making it into 5s stock. 0-60 isn't even a good metric. 60-130's the important metric...

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

The FR-S will be a bit faster than the BRZ, because it will weigh a bit less.

The WSJ got a 6.0 secs 0 to 60 on the BRZ, so upper 5 secs is possible on a FR-S.

Trip, I believe a bit less is 10-15 lbs at the most from a BRZ premium. That's an acceleration difference of .001 seconds. It would need to weigh at least 200 lbs less to make a difference of probably .2 seconds.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Trip, I believe a bit less is 10-15 lbs at the most from a BRZ premium. That's an acceleration difference of .001 seconds. It would need to weigh at least 200 lbs less to make a difference of probably .2 seconds.

Actually 14 per Subaru literature, which WSJ seems to have used for their 0-60 figure. The review says ABOUT 6 seconds. This car's 0-60 has been ABOUT 6 seconds for a long time; I bet WSJ didn't even actually do a 0-60. Anyway, who the fuck cares about 0-60? Stoplight racing is stupid.

[leechungsr]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Actually 14 per Subaru literature, which WSJ seems to have used for their 0-60 figure. The review says ABOUT 6 seconds. This car's 0-60 has been ABOUT 6 seconds for a long time; I bet WSJ didn't even actually do a 0-60. Anyway, who the fuck cares about 0-60? Stoplight racing is stupid.

When we're at 7.3 0-60 for $25K+, I start to care.

I know people will start talking about the driving experience and all that jazz, but it's just too slow to be on my radar anymore.

I could buy a WRX, put very little money into it, make it handle better than stock and go 4s 0-60. It might not be as engaging, but I know I will have more fun in it.

[Draco-REX]

The BRZ is NOT 7s from 0-60. The numbers don't allow it. It has a better power to weight ratio than my spec.b which is a mid 5s 0-60. The AWD launch does NOT make up 2 seconds unless the BRZ driver just floored it and stood there smoking the tires through first.

And besides, unless you're drag racing (which would be stupid to buy a BRZ for) a flat out standing start is not needed for any other form of racing. Even AutoX gives you a run-up to the start line.

This car will perform better than a Legacy GT spec.B in every way but initial launch.

[dsgerbc]

High-6s should be repeatable w/o major abuse. 7.3 is just what you'll get on 91 octane.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by leechungsr

When we're at 7.3 0-60 for $25K+, I start to care.

I know people will start talking about the driving experience and all that jazz, but it's just too slow to be on my radar anymore.

I could buy a WRX, put very little money into it, make it handle better than stock and go 4s 0-60. It might not be as engaging, but I know I will have more fun in it.

Adios then!


If you think a WRX is comparable, you're obviously not the target market for this car. I agree the WRX will be a rocketship in comparison, but that's just a tarted up econobox (I would know, I drive one). The WRX is where the value is, to be certain. The BRZ doesn't have that kind of value because it's in a different market, where value comes from the fact it handles like a car that costs $50K.

[leechungsr]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

The BRZ is NOT 7s from 0-60. The numbers don't allow it. It has a better power to weight ratio than my spec.b which is a mid 5s 0-60. The AWD launch does NOT make up 2 seconds unless the BRZ driver just floored it and stood there smoking the tires through first.

And besides, unless you're drag racing (which would be stupid to buy a BRZ for) a flat out standing start is not needed for any other form of racing. Even AutoX gives you a run-up to the start line.

This car will perform better than a Legacy GT spec.B in every way but initial launch.

Well, that's what Edmunds got. They don't just floor it and smoke the tires. You can watch the video for yourself. They had a pretty decent launch and chirped into 2nd. We can argue the motor wasn't broken in, but it's not like a few thousand miles is going to shave a full second off the 0-60. Maybe they can get it down to the high 6s or 7 flat.

I know it's not about drag racing, but at what point does acceleration matter? When a "performance" car even approaches 7 seconds 0-60, yes it matters. When a "performance" car is slower than a Camry V6, yes it matters.

Please do yourself a favor and look at differences in 0-60 between AWD vs RWD cars before you rant online.

[dsgerbc]

^Go buy a camry then, ktnxbye.

[Khyron686]

Originally Posted by leechungsr

Well, that's what Edmunds got. They don't just floor it and smoke the tires. You can watch the video for yourself. They had a pretty decent launch and chirped into 2nd. We can argue the motor wasn't broken in, but it's not like a few thousand miles is going to shave a full second off the 0-60. Maybe they can get it down to the high 6s or 7 flat.

Did you READ THE TEXT that went with the video? They had to shift to 3rd as the rev limiter was at 59.5 or something silly. Motortrend got 6.4, and they're pretty much the standard. 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph is not slow either.

But if you do think it's too slow, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out.

[86fanatic]

It's amazing to me how people compare this to a V6 Camry and complain that it's slower. A V6 Camry starts at 30 grand, for an economy car with zero performance parts besides the engine which can take advantage of awesome economies of scale.

If you want V6 Camry performance in a 2+2 sports car, you are looking at a Lotus Evora, which uses the engine in a package very similar to the FR-S. Guess what? 80 grand.

A V6 Camry is a very fast car, depending on the tests it sometimes comes out faster then an equivalent 3-series (which retails for many thousands more).

If you are so worried about being slower then a V6 Camry, which by the way is getting faster each generation - you will be having a very depressing (and probably broke) existence.

[Rabble]

When did the V6 Camry become the bedrock by which all other cars are measured? Last time I checked, people weren't flinging camry's around the autocross course.

[alluringreality]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

did anyone check if there was a $25K car that had HIDs...

Personally I don't care about lights, but I believe the reports are that the 2013 v6 Mustang slightly dropped in price and added HID lights.